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Title: NSO shirts?
Post by: Rogzilla on May 25, 2010, 01:07:55 pm
Last night the league merch manager asked me if the NSO crew would be interested in shirts, I said yes. I've been mulling ideas for how to make them "official" enough vs. building some elements of the league's branding into the design. (For some idea of what this looks like, check out http://gardenstaterollergirls.com/ (http://gardenstaterollergirls.com/).)

My first idea was a black shirt with "NSO" in large block letters on the back, in the "Irish Green" color that matches our logo. On the front, on the left chest would be a palm-sized league logo, nothing too obtrusive.

I realize that if we ever volunteer for a WFTDA tournament we would be wearing their pink shirts instead of our own, but for regular bouts against other leagues, do you think anyone would have issue with a design like this?
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: noidd on May 25, 2010, 01:52:36 pm
Our NSOs used to wear our standard black T-Shirts with the word "Official" on the back.

Personally, I would prefer no league branding, but that's me.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Professor Murder on May 25, 2010, 02:17:40 pm
Nope.  Detroit was one of the first leagues I saw who began the practice of custom, standardized NSO shirts.  Cincinnati started this practice this year as well.

There's an informal norm that tends to frown upon team/league logo shirts - which is part of what led to NSO crews designing their own.  Not everyone wears pink save for tournament play. 
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Noah Tall on May 27, 2010, 02:20:24 am
Our NSOs wear black tshirts which say NSO on the front, and either "Derby Staff" or their derby name on the back if they are dedicated NSO crew.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Stegoscorus on May 27, 2010, 07:10:50 am
Our NSOs wear black T-shirts with the league logo on the front, and the word OFFICIAL on the back, with their derby name underneath.  If the printer hasn't finished their shirt by the time they work their first bout, they are asked to wear a plain black shirt.  This is how it's been done for a few years.  All of the refs have one of these shirts as well, in case we are needed in an NSO role for a bout. 

If it were up to me and the league had a bottomless pit of money, we'd have separate ones for interleague season that are collared and have the WFTDA patch on the front (still with OFFICIAL and derby name on the back). 

I like your idea of a smaller league logo on the front, Rogzilla, but I'd go with "official" over "NSO" because fans have no idea what NSO means. 
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Noah Tall on May 27, 2010, 01:00:04 pm
We don't use our league logo on our NSO shirts, because we want to appear uniform and impartial.  We are NWA NSOs, we are WFTDA NSOs.  I think next season we'll look at getting patches for our dedicated NSOs.  That's a good idea.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Gravity Kills on May 29, 2010, 04:30:13 pm
We bought grey and black police duty shirts for our NSOs this year (our ref squad is the 19th Wardens).  I found patches that look a bit like a militarized version of our league logo, and the full-time NSOs have their names on the back.  We're considering picking up patches of the ref squad logo and putting them on the sleeves.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: DayGlo Divine on May 30, 2010, 07:27:13 pm
Our standard practice is to have NSOs wear non-league-affiliated black shirts. It's simple, and it doesn't require people who don't NSO regularly to buy special shirts. We've never had a problem with them being mistaken for crowd members, or with anyone not taking them seriously. Might not work for everyone, but it works for us.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Poobah on June 04, 2010, 09:49:54 pm
The rules tend to be on the vague side on this stuff, sometimes they're worded as suggestions (with the words "strongly encouraged"). I believe the intent is to get people pointed in the right direction while not coming out and forcing leagues in that direction when their local traditions and purchases might have gone in a different direction.

"9.4.2.1 Non-Skating Officials are strongly encouraged to dress in an un-obtrusive
uniform differentiating themselves from Referees."

What this means is that there is no hard and fast ban upon NSOs in ref shirts. The rules pretty clearly indicate it's not a preferred practice. There's also no ban on NSOs wearing camouflage, plaid or leopardskin pants (I used to wear some disgustingly tight ones), garish disco shirts, vintage suit jackets with shoulder pads, fezzes, Mickey Mouse hats, propeller beanies, skating helmets with viking horns, etc.

My thinking is that even with the required pink shirts (NSOs) and black shirts (stats) for tournaments, beyond using those as simple identifiers that nobody is going begrudge someone wearing their trademark headgear, fluorescent makeup or interesting shoes.

At some point down the road, they could change this a bit? Sometimes things stated as a suggestion now become a hard/fast requirement later on. I'm going to think this isn't one of those.

Put simply, unless something is really impacting the game or its public perception negatively, WFTDA tends to err on the side of allowing leagues and volunteers maximum flexibility.

There's no rules disallowing "sexy ref" Halloween costumes, nor stripes that look "non-standard." A referee could wear a zebra-striped shirt or dress. There's no rule banning this (if they're black and white). IMO there doesn't need to be one, either.

Every rules change that the Rules Committee drafts has to pass a vote of the reps from member leagues that are eligible to vote. Changes to these kinds of rules have a fairly marginal positive impact on the game, but could cause some leagues and individual volunteers not to be able to use some uniforms and get-ups that they've invested their money into. As such, I wouldn't expect much to happen in that direction.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Darkjester on June 05, 2010, 05:23:09 pm
As Poobah stated there is no "rule" just as their isn't a rule that Referee's must wear stripes, its only suggested that it be stripes.

However, that is a league decision for the most part.

Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: DayGlo Divine on June 06, 2010, 07:23:14 pm
As Poobah stated there is no "rule" just as their isn't a rule that Referee's must wear stripes, its only suggested that it be stripes.

However, that is a league decision for the most part.


If I had my druthers, we'd all dress like Italian soccer refs.  ;D

(http://images.quickblogcast.com/92912-88346/FCIntermidfielderWesleySneijdershoutingatRefereeRocchiafterbeingsentoffItalySerieAWeek21matchIntervsACMilanSundayJanuary242010.jpg)

Seriously, though, while I'm not a big fan of baby pink, I do see a point in standardizing NSO uniforms for interleague play. Think of how it would look and how confusing it would be if three refs from League 1 wore red soccer ref shirts, three refs from League 2 wore yellow ref shirts, and the League 3 ref who rounded out the roster brought a black and white shirt. No one would know what was going on. The same applies for NSOs. At an interleague or tournament bout, where NSOs may come from several places, not everyone may know who they are right off the bat, and that can be an issue when it comes to things like finding them before a bout or at halftime.

More pragmatically speaking, being able to identify people as NSOs would be really good in venues that are bathroom-challenged. Etiquette usually dictates that skaters and officials get to go to the front of the line, as they are on a tight timeline, and most people will yield way to anyone in a team uniform or ref shirt without blinking an eye. Unless they're in uniform, NSOs are not likely to get the same courtesy, even though they have the same time constraints. They look like anyone else, and sometimes people might assume that they're just being d-bags. While I've never had it happen to me, I've heard of it happening to others.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Darkjester on June 06, 2010, 11:11:58 pm
I'd wear Italian soccer yellow for you anytime DG!

 :o
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: ttjustice on June 07, 2010, 01:17:32 am
The Rubber City Roller Girls have their NSO's wear safety yellow tee shirts with NSO on the back.  It works quite well as they are very easy to pick out of a crowd.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Miss Trie on June 09, 2010, 03:17:11 pm
Our NSO's in Dixie wear dark grey shirts with "Bout Official" on the back.  It gives our crew a uniform & easy to find look. Very, very helpful during our annual tourney. If we're short on NSO shirts, they wear a plain dark grey or black shirt.

We don't allow them to wear any schwagg for the league(s) participating in a bout that day.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Dual.CannonZ on July 09, 2010, 01:51:31 am
We have Black and Grey Bowling shirts with our names on the back. Visitors are encouraged to wear plain black.  Also since we are an apprentice league, we decided to go for apprentice green shirts with the word Official on the back.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Gravity Kills on July 09, 2010, 05:15:59 pm
We bought extra uniform shirts to hand to out-of-town visiting NSOs and any last-minute volunteers who don't have uniform shirts.  Keeps everyone dressed the same, no matter where they're from.

We're taking a different approach this weekend and doing a 'beach party' theme, as our venue is a molten hell of zero AC and our uniform shirts are polyester.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Sven WillIBeFamous on July 23, 2010, 12:05:35 pm
If only there was a way to stop spectators from wearing clashing items of clothing.  I think we (Newcastle Roller Girls) are going to have some amusing times when we stage a home bout and people show up wearing Newcastle United Football shirts (Black and White Stripes) as it's going to look like a ref convention... ???

I was announcing at a Tournament in Aberdeen when a guy strolled in wearing a Newcastle shirt and at first I assumed it was an off duty ref.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Riff Reff on July 23, 2010, 12:54:23 pm
that's why I don't like refs wearing newcastle or juventus football jerseys instead of an American ref shirt with narrow stripes..
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: ExceptionHandler on August 05, 2010, 10:44:05 pm
What about penalty trackers?  I'm kind of liking the idea of having each tracker wearing the colour of the team they are tracking penalties for, so its easy to see at a glance which one you need to relay a given penalty to.
Interested to hear thoughts on it, especially from anyone who sees major problems with it.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Major Wood on August 05, 2010, 10:58:01 pm
What about penalty trackers?  I'm kind of liking the idea of having each tracker wearing the colour of the team they are tracking penalties for, so its easy to see at a glance which one you need to relay a given penalty to.
Interested to hear thoughts on it, especially from anyone who sees major problems with it.

I dislike anyone in an official capacity wearing clothing that matches either team's colors. I'm fine with indicators, like wristbands or the like.

Also, if done correctly, it shouldn't matter which penalty tracker you drop penalties off to. Man, I love using a single penalty tracker.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: mick hawkins on August 06, 2010, 04:49:43 am
Man, I love using a single penalty tracker.

yeah!!!
one penalty tracker is sooooo much easier for the refs
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: erik estradleya on August 06, 2010, 09:42:05 pm
Being the NSO penalty tracker its insane sometimes just tracking one team.  I can't imagine doing both teams with just one tracker. 
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Major Wood on August 06, 2010, 10:21:07 pm
It's a team thing. It's not you doing it alone. Anyway, I shouldn't have derailed the thread.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Gravity Kills on August 09, 2010, 05:39:14 pm
What about penalty trackers?  I'm kind of liking the idea of having each tracker wearing the colour of the team they are tracking penalties for, so its easy to see at a glance which one you need to relay a given penalty to.
Interested to hear thoughts on it, especially from anyone who sees major problems with it.

I dislike anyone in an official capacity wearing clothing that matches either team's colors. I'm fine with indicators, like wristbands or the like.


I'm with Major Wood on this.  I like my people in neutral clothing... if they're wearing team colors, people could suspect bias.  Also, it wouldn't work for scorekeepers if they follow their jammer ref in the team switch after halftime.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Pat-E-Rat on August 16, 2010, 04:44:32 pm
The league I ref for just got neon green, non league colored NSO shirts with "OFFICIAL" printed on the back.  It saves me a lot of trouble when HR-ing, looks more professional, and doesn't create a bias atmosphere...color me happy  ;D
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Rogzilla on August 26, 2010, 01:20:58 pm
Here's the shirt design we settled on, I'm happy with it:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4093/4929287098_323ce765f1.jpg)
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Typhoon Kerie on August 29, 2010, 01:00:16 pm
Team colors - Black and White, with a tiny touch of red on the heart in the logo.  for sale the Logo is always printed in white on a black shirt.

NSO/Staff shirts are RED with the team logo on the front, done in reverse coloring, we have a black heart.  On the back STAFF is printed in giant white letters.  you can buy it if you want it, or just borrow one for the night.    Not much red gets worn to our bouts, so I can pick you out of the crowd quickly when I need you.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Darkjester on August 29, 2010, 07:35:50 pm
Just an advice..
It's bad form for the NSO's to have Team Logo's on their shirts, just as its bad form for a Referee to have the League/Team Logo on his Stripes.

During the bout the NSO's and Referee's are Team 3. The Impartial and Unbiased team.

Sometimes you can't help it when your grabbing non-skating members at the last minute to fill NSO slots, but we try and tell our skaters to make sure to bring a plain black ( or other Non-Affiliated) shirt with them in case they are needed.

Interesting enough, at lastnights Panama City game 1/2 the NSO crew was from a team not competing in the bout so the Leage T-Shirts were worn since they weren't for either team playing.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Frank Necrosis on January 04, 2011, 05:26:22 pm
The Rubber City Roller Girls have their NSO's wear safety yellow tee shirts with NSO on the back.  It works quite well as they are very easy to pick out of a crowd.

That was at my request.  Finding the NSO's was made much easier.

They have a few other positions that weren't NSOs but they got the yellow shirts too.  One of them was the track safety officer.  When needed, I could pick that person out of the crowd in a heart beat if needed.  This was especially important because that person was constantly in motion working around the track.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Pandora Pandamonium on January 12, 2011, 06:02:49 pm
We bought grey and black police duty shirts for our NSOs this year (our ref squad is the 19th Wardens).  I found patches that look a bit like a militarized version of our league logo, and the full-time NSOs have their names on the back.  We're considering picking up patches of the ref squad logo and putting them on the sleeves.

I'm interested to see these shirts... :)

I agree on the no-logo business - the officials, in whatever capacity, should show no bias toward any team or skater, in any regard. That's just common sense right?
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Major Wood on January 12, 2011, 07:10:07 pm
We bought grey and black police duty shirts for our NSOs this year (our ref squad is the 19th Wardens).  I found patches that look a bit like a militarized version of our league logo, and the full-time NSOs have their names on the back.  We're considering picking up patches of the ref squad logo and putting them on the sleeves.

I'm interested to see these shirts... :)

I agree on the no-logo business - the officials, in whatever capacity, should show no bias toward any team or skater, in any regard. That's just common sense right?

One would think...
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Stegoscorus on January 12, 2011, 10:57:34 pm
Windy City Rollers' NSOs wear black WCR shirts with their derby names on the back.  It was something that started before interleague play really existed.  This year we're keeping that tradition for our intraleague bouts, since everyone playing is a Windy City Roller, and the shirt just identifies them as a part of the league.  But we will probably switch to the pink WFTDA NSO shirts for interleague bouts.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Sintax on January 13, 2011, 12:18:28 am
We are still a ways off from being able to organise actual shirts for officials - can anyone see issues with screen printed patches that get safety pinned onto the back of black T shirts?

Safety pins are forbidden for skaters but not mentioned for officials. I wouldn't feel safe on skates with pins on my back but can't think of too many issues for NSOs.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Noah Tall on January 13, 2011, 02:43:06 am
Before we could afford NSO shirts, we just asked everyone to show up in their own black tshirt.  Worked fine.  There's no rule that says the back of the shirt needs to say NSO.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: REFENSTEIN on January 15, 2011, 03:11:39 pm
Our NSO crew has developed their own logo unique from the league logo.  Like Detroit.  They refer to themselves as the stat rats so the logo is a rat with a pencil in it's mouth.

With respect to safety pins.  IMO NSO's should be held to the same standards as everyone else.  No pins.  Lead by example.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Stegoscorus on January 15, 2011, 08:12:55 pm
With respect to safety pins.  IMO NSO's should be held to the same standards as everyone else.  No pins.  Lead by example.

I agree.  If you're having a logo printed on a patch of fabric, why not ask everyone to provide their own shirt and print it on that?  Cheapos like me can find a shirt at the thrift store.  OR still print the logo on a patch and sew it onto a shirt rather than safety pins.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Sintax on January 15, 2011, 10:29:27 pm
Yep, Refenstein, get leading by example. And agree.

Only concern with getting shirts to print it on or sewing it onto shirts, Stego, is the current lack of solid NSO team, mostly we go with volunteers and get new faces each time.

I think the crew has decided we'll just stick with black shirts for now and give it more thought down the line.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Sven WillIBeFamous on January 17, 2011, 12:45:38 pm
I quite like the idea of getting High-vis vest/waistcoats Printed with NSO on the back for a couple of reasons:

a) they are generally one size fits all;
b) they are unlikely to clash with a team or people in the crowd;
c) they can go over the top of someones existing clothing without the need for them to go and get changed somewhere.
d) they are easy to pick out from crowds.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Poobah on January 23, 2011, 09:34:03 pm
Being the NSO penalty tracker its insane sometimes just tracking one team.  I can't imagine doing both teams with just one tracker. 

I HATE single penalty tracker. Both for the reason you mentioned and because the sheets used for single penalty trackers are almost unreadable once completed.

After East Region Playoffs I had MANY instances where I more or less had to guess which penalty had been called. This was after the tournament was ended and people were impatiently awaiting my submission of the stats.

I doubt RulesComm cares much about how folks doing data entry feel about this, so I'm liable to make it so that the single penalty tracker sheet is designed to be printed on a 8.5x17 sheet (and only includes the first 14 skaters, not 16 or 20).

Grand Poobah
Roc City Roller Derby
WFTDA Stats Revisioning
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Gimme Mo on January 24, 2011, 03:30:40 pm
We've been using the tracker/wrangler system at Memphis since last years Stomp and we really like it.  Our tracker uses a BIG clipboard with both full penalty sheets attached.  The single sheet is just too tiny.  So long as both your wrangler and tracker are fairly well versed in the different penalties, hand signals, and codes, they should be fine. 
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: SmackTavish on August 03, 2011, 03:42:36 pm
Sorry to resurrect an old topic, but our league is new. Why does the WFTDA use pink shirts for NSOs? Where is that in the rules? (It is for the ref stripes but not for the NSOs, as far as I see.)

I ask because pink is the secondary color (albeit a fuchsia in hue) for one of our three teams. Members of the all teams have either assumed one of the NSO staff is rooting for the pink team (before knowing that person was an NSO), or expressed concern that we look like we're showing favoritism to them.

I know ultimately our league leadership team will rule on the color to wear (and I assume we'll have to resign ourselves to wearing pink) but I feel like wearing pink shows a bias within our league that we don't intend.

Has another league had this problem? How was it resolved? By the way, we are not WFTDA and I do not know of any intention to become such although we use their rulebook for our bouts.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: SeerSin on August 03, 2011, 04:09:13 pm
Pink shirts for NSOs are required for the Big 5 WFTDA Tournaments. Because of that many WFTDA leagues have adopted their use as well. However it's not a requirement beyond the Big 5. We use a simple gray tshirt with "Bout Official" on the back and a WFTDA patch on the front.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Shaun Ketterman on August 03, 2011, 04:44:18 pm
I don't enforce any dress code beyond no derby team logos for my NSOs. 

Colors don't really come into it for me.  In my estimation, a color is a color and no team can claim sole ownership of it outside of their 14 players in relation to the opposing 14 players in the context of a bout.  ROCK's main color is black and it would seem silly and pointless to me to try to enforce all of my NSO volunteers to wear no black as well as no whatever the opposing team was wearing.

If they'll do their jobs well, not wear derby team logos and not cheer or heckle, I'm satisfied.   
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: GraphicContent on August 05, 2011, 01:43:38 am
...We use a simple gray tshirt with "Bout Official" on the back and a WFTDA patch on the front.

The NSOs in Memphis wear this shirt for the most part.  If not that one, then a blank grey shirt if need be.  Most of us avoid the full on pink shirt, well ya know, b/c it's all pink.  One of our teams does have pink as one of their colors, but even if an NSO wore that shirt I doubt anyone would think of it as favoritism.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Stegoscorus on August 05, 2011, 06:38:30 am
Why does the WFTDA use pink shirts for NSOs? Where is that in the rules? (It is for the ref stripes but not for the NSOs, as far as I see.)


Pink is the color of the WFTDA.  Like others have said, this practice started at tournaments, then became the official dress code for WFTDA tournaments, then a lot of leagues started using it to keep it simple.

Besides being the color of the WFTDA, pink is a noticeable color, so it makes officials easy to pick out of a crowd if you need one fast.  Obviously for leagues whose colors include pink, it could pose the problems you're talking about.  There is nothing in the rules to dictate what NSOs wear, so feel free to choose another type of shirt.  This thread is full o' suggestions!
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Graeme on August 18, 2011, 09:51:03 am
we've just had a league meeting and it was passed there that we are going to have a NSO uniform, and 'pink' was deemed to be the colour of choice by the people at the meeting...

This has come about from the League wanting to make the NSO's look a little more 'official' and remove some of the 'questionable' outfits that were getting worn....  As well as to give the NSOs a uniform that can be worn to both Inter and Tntra league bouts with out constantly having to change due to colour conflicts.  There will also be no league branding and only 'OFFICIAL' will be on the back of the shirt
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: SimBin on September 05, 2011, 02:37:19 pm
We have been lucky enough to have NSO shirts supplied for our recent Bout. They are bright pink with black NSO on the left front and black OFFICIAL across the back. There is no league reference at all on them so that they can be used at interleague bouts.
 Alot of our volunteers baulked a bit in the beginning when they heard they were pink, but on the night everyone had to admit that they did look very good. And I feel it made everyone feel more of a team. It was cold on the night so we asked the NSO's to wear a black long sleeve top underneath, no jackets covering the shirts were allowed (and it gave me the ability to ask for the shirt back on the night). The NSO's were given the option to 'derby up' their leg wear. The result on the evening did give us some very positive feedback from the public and Team Zebra and the shirts were definatley worn with pride.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: SmackTavish on September 27, 2011, 05:15:56 pm
UPDATE on our league's shirts: After meeting with the Head Ref and the league coach, we are the WFTDA cotton-candy pink. "OFFICIAL" on the back, with the NSO's derby name under it (if they have one).
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: PackMan on September 27, 2011, 06:37:20 pm
UPDATE on our league's shirts: After meeting with the Head Ref and the league coach, we are the WFTDA cotton-candy pink. "OFFICIAL" on the back, with the NSO's derby name under it (if they have one).

You might consider putting the derby name on the front right chest area (where a name badge would go), instead of on the back like the skaters and referees.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: bjmacke on September 27, 2011, 11:08:34 pm
WFTDA cotton-candy pink.

I think the preferred name of the color is "WFTDA Pink". Not sure if they got around to registering the exact color, but that's how I've seen it written in the past.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: SmackTavish on September 28, 2011, 12:05:16 am
like the skaters and referees.
That's why it's ON the back.

I think the preferred name of the color is "WFTDA Pink".
You still knew what I meant. It's the shirt companies that don't. (Pink, light pink, pale pink, etc.)
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: The Gorram Reaver on September 28, 2011, 03:42:20 am
like the skaters and referees.
That's why it's ON the back.
I think PackMan is suggesting that they be on the front so that if your NSOs shirts would be compliant with current WFTDA Tournament NSO dress code should they ever officiate at an event that follows that dress code.  That dress code requires NSO names be placed on the right breast.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: SmackTavish on September 28, 2011, 04:44:21 am
That dress code requires NSO names be placed on the right breast.
Good to know. We wear t-shirts for our league, not polos, so I believe they are not to code anyway.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: The Gorram Reaver on September 28, 2011, 06:03:42 am
That dress code requires NSO names be placed on the right breast.
Good to know. We wear t-shirts for our league, not polos, so I believe they are not to code anyway.
Polos are not required.  Pink, sleeves, length must extend at least to the waist.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Auntie Bellum on November 02, 2011, 03:50:40 pm
Had anyone worked up a general NSO logo?

We are going to run off some NSO shirts and it would be nice to have a logo or something on them other then official (nope, they are not gonna be tournament spec anyway)

We were thinking about a skate without wheels or a clipboard but I wanted to see if anyone else had come up with anything because a NSO thing would be awesome. 

Zebras have the stripes we have... ticky boxes?  (wouldn't it be awesome if there was a pink and black gingham that looked like the bout worksheets?  Ok now I am going to go look)
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: SmackTavish on March 18, 2012, 04:12:05 am
I have a couple designs; neither are (currently) on the shirts we wear for bouts. I'll post them when I'm home.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: P!st0l-P3t3 on July 03, 2013, 01:06:20 pm
Is it okay to wear a pink NSO t-shirt with a WFTDA patch logo on it, even if officiating at a non-sanctioned bout?
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Nick Bergus on July 03, 2013, 02:45:49 pm
Is it okay to wear a pink NSO t-shirt with a WFTDA patch logo on it, even if officiating at a non-sanctioned bout?

Unless your head NSO tell you otherwise, it sure is. I proudly wear a WFTDA patch when working any game, sanctioned, regulation, non-regulation, juniors.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: SilkenTofu on July 03, 2013, 04:12:17 pm
Is it okay to wear a pink NSO t-shirt with a WFTDA patch logo on it, even if officiating at a non-sanctioned bout?

Unless your head NSO tell you otherwise, it sure is. I proudly wear a WFTDA patch when working any game, sanctioned, regulation, non-regulation, juniors.

If you are affiliated with a WFTDA member league.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Nick Bergus on July 03, 2013, 04:24:37 pm
Is it okay to wear a pink NSO t-shirt with a WFTDA patch logo on it, even if officiating at a non-sanctioned bout?

Unless your head NSO tell you otherwise, it sure is. I proudly wear a WFTDA patch when working any game, sanctioned, regulation, non-regulation, juniors.

If you are affiliated with a WFTDA member league.

Good point, Tofu. I took that as a given.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: P!st0l-P3t3 on July 19, 2013, 03:46:01 am
Is it okay to wear a pink NSO t-shirt with a WFTDA patch logo on it, even if officiating at a non-sanctioned bout?

Unless your head NSO tell you otherwise, it sure is. I proudly wear a WFTDA patch when working any game, sanctioned, regulation, non-regulation, juniors.

If you are affiliated with a WFTDA member league.

Ok.


I'm NSO'ing at an inter-league bout, between my new league (not yet part of WFTDA), and my old league (WFTDA apprenticed). The reason I am NSO'ing is so I'll be 'neutral'- I want to be there for my league teammates but I don't want give an awkward vibe to my old league. And I admit some of my favourite jammers are on the opposite team.

I used to NSO a lot for my old league, and did in fact receive the WFTDA patch logo from them. I guess I could say I had the NSO shirt with the logo on it, and since it's my only pink shirt (the required uniform colour), that I'd wear it?
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Numb3r Crunch3r on July 19, 2013, 04:36:45 am
Is it okay to wear a pink NSO t-shirt with a WFTDA patch logo on it, even if officiating at a non-sanctioned bout?

Unless your head NSO tell you otherwise, it sure is. I proudly wear a WFTDA patch when working any game, sanctioned, regulation, non-regulation, juniors.

If you are affiliated with a WFTDA member league.

Ok.


I'm NSO'ing at an inter-league bout, between my new league (not yet part of WFTDA), and my old league (WFTDA apprenticed). The reason I am NSO'ing is so I'll be 'neutral'- I want to be there for my league teammates but I don't want give an awkward vibe to my old league. And I admit some of my favourite jammers are on the opposite team.

I used to NSO a lot for my old league, and did in fact receive the WFTDA patch logo from them. I guess I could say I had the NSO shirt with the logo on it, and since it's my only pink shirt (the required uniform colour), that I'd wear it?

I really strongly protest to the wearing of the patch in this situation especially.

Not only is it wearing a patch that indicates affiliation with a league you are no longer with, it's also wearing a patch while involved in a bout that *includes* that old league.

To anyone who sees you at that game, whether they know you personally or not, that patch not only indicates a WFTDA involvement, it also indicates that you are affiliated with the old, WFTDA member/AP league. That you are an NSO who is representing that league, and their standards/WFTDA membership.

I understand NSOing as it gives you an impartiality on the night and allows you to walk the awkward line between old league and new league. However wearing the patch grossly misrepresents your current affiliation between the leagues involved in the bout.

Effectively - if I was to watch a bout between a WFTDA league and a non-WFTDA league, and I saw an official with a patch on - if I was going to provide feedback on that official, I would immediately assume that they are a member of the WFTDA league in question, and I would direct that feedback to the WFTDA league.

If that feedback is positive - it's a misunderstanding at best, but one that could have been avoided. If that feedback is negative, it's created a view in my mind that at least one official associated with that WFTDA league is not 'up to par' in my opinion, and it lowers my view of that league in the general sense. Wearing the patch, especially at this bout, is opening you up to accusations of misrepresentation, especially from the WFTDA league you've just left, which will likely find itself answerable for any issues that arise while you're wearing the patch you're no longer eligible to wear.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: The Gorram Reaver on July 19, 2013, 11:20:16 am
Moreover, wearing that patch while you are no longer a member of a league whose members are entitled to wear said patch is a direct violation of WFTDA policy regarding that patch.  If the wearing of that patch by a non-authorized individual were to come to the attention of WFTDA, there is a chance that the incident could hurt your opportunities for advancement or participation within WFTDA's officiating structure.

Yes, I know, it's a pain to have to remove something you've already painstakingly attached to your shirt once, especially when you may wind up being able to put it back on again soon.  But please, take the patch off or buy a different pink shirt.  You are not currently eligible to wear it.
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: Dire Wolff on September 14, 2013, 01:06:39 am
A bit late, but I'd like to add to this.

I understood that there are three two scenario's in which you might be wearing WFTDA patches.

Either you are affiliated to a WFTDA league and can wear the patch at any time. So at games organized by your own league, but equally so at games organised by other (non-wftda) leagues. I  might not wear the patch at times I would be officiating games under a different rules set (not relevant for me right now, but you never know).

Or you are affiliated to WFTDA as a certified official, but unaffiliated to any WFTDA league in particular, same rules apply as being affiliated to a league (when it comes to wearing a patch that is).

Or you are not affiliated to a WFTDA league but happen to work a bout/event they organise and they provide the uniforms. A good example would be the NSO shirts provided by the WFTDA host, to be returned after the bout.

-- Edited to add Certified official option --
-- Edited again to strike same third option based on Silken Tofu's correction --
Title: Re: NSO shirts?
Post by: SilkenTofu on September 14, 2013, 03:35:32 pm
Only officials affiliated with a WFTDA league can wear a member patch. Certified officials with apprentice leagues wear the green apprentice patch. Certified unaffiliated officials (or certified officials from non-WFTDA leagues) wear only cert patches, no member or apprentice patch--because they are not part of a member or apprentice league.