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Non-Skating Officials => General NSO Discussion => Topic started by: Mountie on November 28, 2011, 03:16:01 pm

Title: NSO Uniform
Post by: Mountie on November 28, 2011, 03:16:01 pm
We have a couple of dedicated NSO people and we were wondering, if for these people we could have their names on the backs of the "OFFICIAL" shirts?  Do any of you do this, or have you seen it??
These guys are really dedicated and we kind of feel that they should be named just as the refs are.
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Two Bit Score on November 28, 2011, 03:27:36 pm
We are currently using black T-shirts for NSOs, and they can have their derby name on the back if they like.
(Mainly it is only skating Refs filling in as NSOs that currently do it, this isn't a restriction, just how it's working out.)
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: The Gorram Reaver on November 28, 2011, 03:48:31 pm
Everyone on our crew, on or off skates, gets a shirt with their name on the back.  They can wear it during home games (and are encouraged to do so if filling an off skates position), during practices, out & about town, etc. 
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: SilkenTofu on November 28, 2011, 03:48:56 pm
For non-WFTDA tournament bouts, your NSOs can basically wear whatever they want.  A good rule of thumb is for them to not wear anything league-specific, but other than that, it's pretty much free reign.  NSOs love derby names, and definitely deserve them as much as refs!  (I may be a little biased here... :D )
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: The Equalizer on November 28, 2011, 05:30:50 pm
My league has and the leagues around me usually have Official shirts available for Those to wear and they just say Official on the back and are given back after the bout.  If they chose to buy there own shirt and put there name on the back so be it.  I personally have NSO'd a year at every bout this year for the league and a few outside my league i just own it with a belt and pirate boots.  The shirt i wear to my league's events i did grab one of an appropriate size for me to wear.  But that's it.
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Adamantium on November 28, 2011, 11:50:21 pm
We specify something close to "theatre blacks" (i.e. unadorned black everything) for our NSOs. NSOs don't start with derby names, visiting refs acting as NSOs can if they have something appropriate.

Once an NSO has been with our league for half a year or so and shown dedication to the role, we buy the officials shirt with their derby name on it for them as a thank you for their service (which conveniently keeps all their names in a consistent font and size)
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: mick hawkins on November 29, 2011, 12:58:09 am
We used to have our NSOs in plain all-black - until the rep/allstar/travel team decided on a black uniform.

It was decided that a team in black and the NSO crew in black wasn't appropriate.
So we now have our NSOs in grey polos with "OFFICIAL" on the back.

The polos look really smart and the NSOs seem to really enjoy having a uniform to wear. The shirts are owned by the league and returned after the bout
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/mickdelfuego/officials.jpg)

Of course the travel team now have a second, light, uniform now... it's grey   ::)
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Dan Halen on November 29, 2011, 01:00:07 am
I actually think its an EXCELLENT idea to give NSOs a neutral coloured black shirt with their names on it.  If for no other reason, it will keep them from trying to wearing team colour clothes, which one of my biggest pet peaves.  I've seen quite a few NSOs trying to support their favourite team while on the track as a neutral game official.  Having an NSO uniform would go miles to stop that.  You could also have generic shirts made up that just say Non Skating Official in the same font, etc for those NSO who come and go.  And for the NSO who are there rock solid, game after game, they totally deserve to be named and recognised.

In fact, I'm going to go back and ask my league to do something similar!

Dan Halen
RCRD
Wellington, New Zealand
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Shaun Ketterman on November 29, 2011, 03:53:21 pm
I actually think its an EXCELLENT idea to give NSOs a neutral coloured black shirt with their names on it.  If for no other reason, it will keep them from trying to wearing team colour clothes, which one of my biggest pet peaves.

Unless the team's color is black, haha!  I've written this before but I don't stress about colors on NSOs.  Worry about league logos but I don't believe that any league can lay exclusive claim to a color outside of the narrowly defined realm of their color versus the opposing team's color within a specific bout in 3.7.1.  In tournaments and double headers, a league will probably use different colors from bout to bout anyway.

If I were trying to come up with a shirt for an NSO crew, I'd have it follow WFTDA tournament standard which is a light pink with the word "OFFICIAL" on the back in black.  To personalize it, you could have the NSO's name screenprinted on the right breast of the shirt, like a nametag.  That way they've got a shirt that they can not only use at home, but also away and anywhere else they might NSO.
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: PackMan on November 29, 2011, 05:10:22 pm
If I were trying to come up with a shirt for an NSO crew, I'd have it follow WFTDA tournament standard which is a light pink with the word "OFFICIAL" on the back in black.  To personalize it, you could have the NSO's name screenprinted on the right breast of the shirt, like a nametag.  That way they've got a shirt that they can not only use at home, but also away and anywhere else they might NSO.

This is what Little City does
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Dan Halen on November 29, 2011, 08:00:46 pm
Worry about league logos but I don't believe that any league can lay exclusive claim to a color outside of the narrowly defined realm of their color versus the opposing team's color within a specific bout in 3.7.1.

I get what you're saying Shaun.  In New Zealand play between leagues is not as frequent, so for us it's often the home season that this is an issue.  our league has 3 home teams and seeing the arena packed out in fans wearing team colours is awesome, but when the NSOs do it, not as awesome.  When their are travel games, it's very easy for people working the games to get very supportive of their city and forget that they are part of a neutral crew.

I guess for me its part of a larger question of non-partisan officiating.  Refs are better equipped for this but often NSO are recruited from non-playing skaters, freshmeat or fans.

At a recent travel game I had the jam timer instructing me to start calling more elbow penalties against "my team."  All I could say was to speak to the Head Ref, and oh by the way, I'm a ref, I don't have a team.  Another time we had the scoreboard operator call an official timeout to try and argue (with flawed reasoning no less) for more points for her league's team.  On that occasion my home league was the host and that crap is just embarrassing!
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Mountie on December 01, 2011, 04:11:48 pm
We have the light pink with Offical printed on the back for the NSO's generally.  It is just for a couple of the people who are 'only' NSOs. 
I like the idea of the name on the front.  This would make it clear to the visiting NSO's who they are to answer to and would give the NSO crew some much needed recognition.
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Kilty Conscience on December 07, 2011, 03:00:29 am
In Detroit, our NSOs are all members of the "Stat Army". We have our own logo for each season and everyone gets a shirt with their derby name on the back. This is our way of making sure no one wears anything inappropriate (team affiliated shirts), looks uniform and is a nice thank you to the volunteers for their time.
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Brass Monkey on January 17, 2012, 07:18:14 pm
Just completed my first bout as a NSO for Aurora, Most of the NSO's just wore a league shirt (some with printed name on back).  Others (like me) were instructed to just wear a black shirt.  They are not marked with NSO at all.  Pretty new league still, but do you think this si something we should look in to?  Or is this alright for a beginner league.

Also any colors we should steer away from or towards?  (Obviously not Zebra Stripes).
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Brad Religion on January 17, 2012, 07:55:18 pm
Colors matter very little, in my view. However, I would avoid any and all league logos - the only team any of these people are with on bout day is team Officials.
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Rev. Riot on January 21, 2012, 07:34:36 pm
As far as logos, colors, etc. The general look you're going for (hopefully) is "neutral", right?

So for some occasions, a Home team logo might be the most appropriate (that occasion would be home league bouts), those fans are going to see that logo and recognize it as the organizing body that is above the (2, 3 or) 4 home teams. So that will appear impartial. Good.

However, when you have a travel bout, that same shirt will look completely biased. So it's a bad shirt to wear.

That should really be the concerns any time you decide on what your NSOs wear. Beyond that (outside of explicit dress codes), do what they want.

I think Shaun's is a good idea, that pink shirt color was chosen partly because the WFTDA is Black, White and Pink, but largely because no one wears pink (with noted exception). I once had an NSO complain about the pink shirts because "who wears pink to a roller derby bout?". Exactly.
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Brass Monkey on January 25, 2012, 11:21:41 pm
To qualify my earlier post:

The NSO's are all from Aurora 88's (the home league).  The bout was all Aurora 88 teams (no visiting teams).  I totally understand and agree with being neutral.

I also like having a league shirt with my name on the back because then people ask more about the league when I wear it outside of Derby.  Meaning that derby knowledge is spreading.
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: HIM-roid on January 25, 2012, 11:44:27 pm
That is fine that you have a shirt with the league logo on it with your name on it "OUTSIDE" of derby, but definitely not recommended for "BOUT TIME". I am sure the Aurora 88's will eventually venture outside of Home team bouts and play someone else. Why not get in the habit of a plain black shirt with OFFICIAL across the back of it and your name on the chest? Then you can wear this wherever and whenever. Of course you can do as you wish, but these are just suggestions in case you get a chance to NSO outside of your venue.
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: SmackTavish on March 18, 2012, 03:43:26 am
We wear WFTDA-pink shirts, with OFFICIAL and (if possible) our name under that. I need to pick up a black shirt with the same information so I can NSO at other leagues who require their officials to not wear pink.
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: KupQuake Karnage on April 02, 2012, 10:16:40 am
My own personal opinion have a polo or T shirt in your Derby Team colour with name of team and NSO on it  8)
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: mick hawkins on April 02, 2012, 12:14:12 pm
My own personal opinion have a polo or T shirt in your Derby Team colour with name of team and NSO on it  8)

Why would impartial NSOs be in a team colour with the team name?
Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: Darkjester on April 02, 2012, 07:50:55 pm
Mick's got the right of it. On bout day 'my team' is Official. I'm either wearing stripes, or whatever designation the HR has decided if I'm NSO'ing. (Or allowed me to wear if I had neither and was picked up to NSO)

Title: Re: NSO Uniform
Post by: beertester on April 24, 2012, 10:15:24 pm
As far as logos, colors, etc. The general look you're going for (hopefully) is "neutral", right?

So for some occasions, a Home team logo might be the most appropriate (that occasion would be home league bouts), those fans are going to see that logo and recognize it as the organizing body that is above the (2, 3 or) 4 home teams. So that will appear impartial. Good.

However, when you have a travel bout, that same shirt will look completely biased. So it's a bad shirt to wear.

That should really be the concerns any time you decide on what your NSOs wear. Beyond that (outside of explicit dress codes), do what they want.

I think Shaun's is a good idea, that pink shirt color was chosen partly because the WFTDA is Black, White and Pink, but largely because no one wears pink (with noted exception). I once had an NSO complain about the pink shirts because "who wears pink to a roller derby bout?". Exactly.
we supply all our nso's with t shirts for just this reason