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WFTDA => General Ref Discussion => Topic started by: A_Grue on February 19, 2012, 04:31:32 pm
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I'm a new NSO with my league and am looking to keep a ref resume current, since it's not going to be long before I start forgetting what I was doing at any given bout. Is there any particular format that HR prefer when receiving ref resumes? Do you prefer them in chronological order, or by WFTDA sanctioned then WFTDA regulated, or by position staffed? Other than no garish fonts, are there any real big no-nos?
Thanks for all you folks do. It's a great help to us newbs.
A Grue
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1. Do it in google docs
2. Do it in google docs
3. A number of officials on this website have their resume linked in their profile(major Wood for example). It is not real consistent from resume to resume, but there are a lot of things in common between them (date, location, teams/leagues, head Ref, intraleague/inter league/regulation/sanctioned, you position). And then one tab for on skates and one tab for off.
4. I would say chronological, and maybe some kind of quick summery as well.
5. Oh yeah, and if you can, do it in Google docs....
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When applying for tournament positions (which is mainly why you need the resumé) you are generally asked for tournament experience, sanctioned bout experience, and then finally everything else. In my opinion, it is best to keep those 3 different types of bouting experience separate in your resumé to make it easier when you apply. And yes, GoogleDocs.
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my apologies if this is obvious, but why Google Docs instead of Excel for instance?
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my apologies if this is obvious, but why Google Docs instead of Excel for instance?
Easier to share. When applying for tournaments you can supply a link and anyone that is reviewing applications can see it. If you use excel then you are requiring that they download your resume and have something to view it with.
Google docs is just easier to distribute. It is quickly becoming a standard for traveling referees.
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Hmmm. Mine is straight text in Microsoft Word. I am an AutoCAD guy, which is useless for this kind of thing. I have no clue how to set up or configure Excel for such a thing and have never used Google Docs before. I wouldn’t even know where to begin or have a clue how to structure it. I think until there is a nationally accepted template that we can just fill in, I will stick with Microsoft Word. Most people have that. Even still, with the amount of bouts that I have worked, just filling in the data would be a huge undertaking in itself. Help?
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Hmmm. Mine is straight text in Microsoft Word. I am an AutoCAD guy, which is useless for this kind of thing. I have no clue how to set up or configure Excel for such a thing and have never used Google Docs before. I wouldn’t even know where to begin or have a clue how to structure it. I think until there is a nationally accepted template that we can just fill in, I will stick with Microsoft Word. Most people have that. Even still, with the amount of bouts that I have worked, just filling in the data would be a huge undertaking in itself. Help?
"Google docs" is a scary phrase that imagines the general power of the googles... but in reality google docs is basically just word/excel etc in an online form.
You can take your excel or word document and convert it to a google docs document from within google docs, and then continue to edit it as you work more bouts.
At the end of the day it isn't required to have your refsume online. But it is awfully convenient.
Google docs (https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=writely&passive=1209600&continue=http://docs.google.com/%23&followup=http://docs.google.com/<mpl=homepage) - Check it out if you're interested. If not, no worries.
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The other reason for Google Docs is, once you hand out the link to someone, you don't have to hand it out again when you update it (so no, "dammit, I send out my app and resume last week, and last minute I was asked to head-ref Water City vs Gotham and they won't know about it!")
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The other reason for Google Docs is, once you hand out the link to someone, you don't have to hand it out again when you update it (so no, "dammit, I send out my app and resume last week, and last minute I was asked to head-ref Water City vs Gotham and they won't know about it!")
Agreed.
It's nice to have a living document that can be easily passed along and updated as needed so that your information is ALWAYS current.
That being said - I just got around to making mine... so I'll shut up.
... but I *did* make mine in GoogleDocs.
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@Snackbar
Can you show me what yours looks like so I can mimic it?
Also thanks all.
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An actual question, how does one count double headers? 1 NSO time, or 2?
And if 2 do you list as separate events with same day? Just trying to figure this out. Thanks all
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An actual question, how does one count double headers? 1 NSO time, or 2?
And if 2 do you list as separate events with same day? Just trying to figure this out. Thanks all
I count each bout separately. If I work a double header then I have 2 entries. This allows me to list each team that I worked for, as opposed to a league umbrella.
It also more accurately explains the work I have done.
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I only list full-length bouts on mine, WFTDA sanctioned, WFTDA regulation, and non-regulation. Each separately. Tournament and multi-day events are marked as such.
I do not list scrimmages or non-regulation length (I.e., 2x30 min halves) bouts.
I have been reffing since 2007, though, so I have that luxury.
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Can you show me what yours looks like so I can mimic it?
Mine's got plenty of mimicry built-in already: http://goo.gl/7UGL8 (http://goo.gl/7UGL8)
(Be sure to scroll all the way to the right for the most informative column. :-)
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Mine's got plenty of mimicry built-in already: http://goo.gl/7UGL8 (http://goo.gl/7UGL8)
(Be sure to scroll all the way to the right for the most informative column. :-)
i like the color coded positions on your resume, i do believe ill adopt that.
here's mine https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuI6VUO0ukIPdGppSkRFZHhFRERBcDV4bVdCWVJDSmc
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When I am a HR looking at ref resumes I prefer something like the header Megapickle has.
Name, contact info, etc The summary by position is also useful. I like that you have a photo there. I'll probably add that to mine.
It would be handy if you added your insurance into that header. It's something I'll need if I'm going to schedule you.
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i like the color coded positions on your resume, i do believe ill adopt that.
here's mine https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuI6VUO0ukIPdGppSkRFZHhFRERBcDV4bVdCWVJDSmc
2 recommendations:
1. Have a summary. Either a page on its own, or a place at the top that lists, at a glance, how many bouts that you have worked in any given position. For bonus points include total sanctioned/regulation and tournament* games in your summary.
Reason: If you apply to work a tournament, it allows the reviewer to quickly see that you have worked X games as a jam ref, Y sanctioned games, and possibly the most important piece of information for them is that you have worked Z tournament-level games.
2. Have your bout order flipped, so that the newest bout appear at the top and the oldest bout appears at the bottom.
Reason: Your current bouts are the most relevant. Everything is part of the picture, so those old bouts are important, but even though you reffed Team Awesome vs. Team Spectacular in 2006, what have you done lately?
* I am seeing a growing trend to only give the moniker of "tournament" to the Big 5 WFTDA events, and listing all other events as "multi-bout" events. ECDX has started doing this, and it wouldn't surprise me if other events begin picking this up as well (ECDX has been known to start a trend or two). However, this is not wide-spread as of yet, and for my own personal refsume I still list multi-bout events as tournament experience (for now).
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i like the color coded positions on your resume, i do believe ill adopt that.
here's mine https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuI6VUO0ukIPdGppSkRFZHhFRERBcDV4bVdCWVJDSmc
2 recommendations:
1. Have a summary. Either a page on its own, or a place at the top that lists, at a glance, how many bouts that you have worked in any given position. For bonus points include total sanctioned/regulation and tournament* games in your summary.
Reason: If you apply to work a tournament, it allows the reviewer to quickly see that you have worked X games as a jam ref, Y sanctioned games, and possibly the most important piece of information for them is that you have worked Z tournament-level games.
2. Have your bout order flipped, so that the newest bout appear at the top and the oldest bout appears at the bottom.
Reason: Your current bouts are the most relevant. Everything is part of the picture, so those old bouts are important, but even though you reffed Team Awesome vs. Team Spectacular in 2006, what have you done lately?
* I am seeing a growing trend to only give the moniker of "tournament" to the Big 5 WFTDA events, and listing all other events as "multi-bout" events. ECDX has started doing this, and it wouldn't surprise me if other events begin picking this up as well (ECDX has been known to start a trend or two). However, this is not wide-spread as of yet, and for my own personal refsume I still list multi-bout events as tournament experience (for now).
thanks! Starting to make the changes now, i need a refresher on my excel formulas though. ill get this done tonight!
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Random thoughts from someone who has helped with staffing duties...
Summaries are very useful, but they better match the data, and vice versa. Keep your data updated, and accurate. It's also so much easier to do it regularly than trying to backfill a chunk of data. If you worked in the past month, you should have also updated your data.
At a minimum, data to include is:
Date
Teams (not just leagues)
Location of bout
Officiating position
Head ref
Head ref contact info
Tournament head ref
Tournament head ref contact info
Bout classification ( sanc, reg, non-reg; could also add a column for WFTDA, MRDA, JRDA, ...)
Tournament/multi day event name
Notes
NSOs will likely want to include info about the HNSO and THNSO, too.
Do not use color as the only indicator of something, also include important data as text -- not everyone can see colors similarly, and your data may get copy/pasted by a decider and your color information lost.
And an important tidbit regarding nomenclature...
In the land of WFTDA, the word Tournament means a Big 5 thing (aka Regionals and Championships). Brewhaha, ECDX, and so on are considered "multi-day events". So be careful how you use the word 'tournament'. As an example, officiating at the B-Cup shows that you have experience officiating at a tournament-like event, but shouldn't be considered Tournament experience.
Other info that's nice to include is your certification, if any, your USARS or WFTDA insurance number, and officiating clinic attendance.
And if you use google spreadsheet, and want it to count certain bouts for you automatically...
=countif(E6:E129, "OPR")
That formula will count every cell in the range E6 thru E129 that contains the phrase "OPR" and returns the result as a number. So if you modify that for your own spreadsheet range and phrasing, it will keep count of overall bouts at a given position. Spaces can live inside a phrase in those quotes in the formula, too. The formula should live in a cell outside the range it looks into, also. One formula per position, please.
And PLEASE, for the love of others, name your document with your officiating name!
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Hey Freddie, your resume has email addresses in it and this forum is publicly accessible and search engine crawlable. By linking to it here, that info will likely wind up easily searchable and spamable.
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In my experience, Gmail's spam filter is virtually perfect. So for me, any lingering minuscule risk of my address slipping into the wrong hands is far outweighed by the benefit of being easily reachable.
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Here is a copy of mine. Sadly the sheet about Skating is empty :( But my NSO side is filling up quite nicely
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtnpP1cpwlR6dHVFOERGMlFUei1FMTRGN0I4VVZsVXc&output=html
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made some edits based on feedback from all. hook a brother up, what do you think now?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuI6VUO0ukIPdGppSkRFZHhFRERBcDV4bVdCWVJDSmc#gid=0
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Hey Freddie, your resume has email addresses in it and this forum is publicly accessible and search engine crawlable. By linking to it here, that info will likely wind up easily searchable and spamable.
Yeah, i was weary of including my phone number so i removed it. i think ill take my chances with Googles spam filter and see what happens. i included the email addresses of all the head referees too, they will likely not be happy if they get spammed. what do you guys think?
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Is it worthwhile to include scrimmages on a separate tab? Just wondering...
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i thought about including scrimmages on my resume, but 3 years of 1 scrimmage per week = 150 scrims
i think after you get about 20 games on your resume the scrims become a bit pointless
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Is it worthwhile to include scrimmages on a separate tab? Just wondering...
somewhere in this thread someone mentioned not including scrimmages or bouts that arent full length. since both of my multi day events featured non regulation length bouts i removed them from their own tab and just included them in my summary, i was accepted as a referee to beast of the east this year and will also include that in the summary as the bouts are not full length. i don't see the harm in summarizing that you have worked X amount of formal scrimmages if you thought it would help your case. the case being your preparedness to work a bout. once you have a handful of actual regulation bouts under your belt though i would probably omit it.
hope this helps.
here's mine: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuI6VUO0ukIPdGppSkRFZHhFRERBcDV4bVdCWVJDSmc#gid=0
one of you creepers left your pc idle with my resume open. i can see you! :P
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i thought about including scrimmages on my resume, but 3 years of 1 scrimmage per week = 150 scrims
i think after you get about 20 games on your resume the scrims become a bit pointless
I include interleague scrims but not intraleague scrims. We do one intraleague scrim a week at practice and I don't see a good reason to include those. Even so, nearly half of the bouts (15 so far, 17 after this weekend) I have reffed were interleague scrims.
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Hey Freddie, your resume has email addresses in it and this forum is publicly accessible and search engine crawlable. By linking to it here, that info will likely wind up easily searchable and spamable.
Yeah, i was weary of including my phone number so i removed it. i think ill take my chances with Googles spam filter and see what happens. i included the email addresses of all the head referees too, they will likely not be happy if they get spammed. what do you guys think?
That's my point. I don't want my email address hanging in the wild, so I'm hoping to nip this practice in the bud before it catches on. This is what Addressbooks are for folks.
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My mistake. When I'd commented above about Gmail's effective spam filter, it was because I thought we were just referring to Freddie putting his own gmail address out there (as I do). I hadn't scrolled over to notice the column of HR emails. I totally agree with you, deadeye: Unless each one of them gave explicit permission to publish his/her address, that's not appropriate. Those should be "avail on request".
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i thought about including scrimmages on my resume, but 3 years of 1 scrimmage per week = 150 scrims
i think after you get about 20 games on your resume the scrims become a bit pointless
I'd leave league practice scrimmages off entirely or if you feel they must be there, list them as a completely separate tab. Either way, label them clearly! To present them as anything more than practices seems like artificial resume padding to me.
I mention this because as someone who staffs bouts, I've occasionally had new refs try to inflate their experience to me (either innocently or otherwise) by putting practice scrimmages on the same footing as bouts. They're not the same. As a serious referee, I'd expect you to be practicing at least weekly. Don't count it as bout experience.
As a general guide, there's no sin in being the new person. If I staff someone knowing they've only done a handful of bouts, I'll chalk a lot of mistakes up to inexperience. If I staff someone under the impression they've been around a bit, I'm likely to chalk lots of mistakes up to being ill-equipped to referee.
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Hey Freddie, your resume has email addresses in it and this forum is publicly accessible and search engine crawlable. By linking to it here, that info will likely wind up easily searchable and spamable.
Yeah, i was weary of including my phone number so i removed it. i think ill take my chances with Googles spam filter and see what happens. i included the email addresses of all the head referees too, they will likely not be happy if they get spammed. what do you guys think?
That's my point. I don't want my email address hanging in the wild, so I'm hoping to nip this practice in the bud before it catches on. This is what Addressbooks are for folks.
You're right, i removed the column. It had been mentioned as a good idea to add it to the resume but you probably wouldn't want to put it on the resume if you were going to post it to a public forum, my bad. thanks for the advice.
here it is again: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuI6VUO0ukIPdGppSkRFZHhFRERBcDV4bVdCWVJDSmc#gid=0
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Hey, so I'm working on my resumé and was wondering:
1) In the Home/Visitor spaces do I include league names or team names.
1a) What if it's a intraleague game - same question
2) I have HR names but not HNSO - is that a problem?
3) None of the teams are WFTDA but we did play by WFTDA rules: How do I classify the bouts?
I'm sure I'll have more questions later. I have no idea how to work excel codes or whatever they're called but I'll figure it out.
Until now I've gathered
1- date
2- location (city/state)
3/4- home/visitor team/league names
5- event name
6- my position
7- head ref
8- bout type
Thanks! ;D
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As a (former) league HR who has to read these... If I don't know you what I'm looking for is your experience level with the kind of game we're playing and people I could contact for comments on your skills.
1) I track league and team, but when reading them team is more important.
2) Start tracking HNSO, it's not critical that you got back and get it but start from here out.
3) It's valuable for me to know the distinction between Sanctioned/Regulation (WFtDA teams), WFTDA rules, and House Rules.
For myself personally I track House Rules as split between Modified WFTDA, which I consider timing changes such as a 30 minutes game and every other modification. I do sum up Modified WFTDA on the front page page but not other house rules.
It's very nice to have a front page with a summary of position by game, but I do also want to see the list of games for leagues and people involved. This is pretty easy if store it it google docs and do some work with a pivot table.
Online versions are better than file based versions. If you send me a link that keeps getting updated I can go back when I need it again.
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2) Start tracking HNSO, it's not critical that you got back and get it but start from here out.
Ok, Thanks. I've been HNSO a couple of times; the other ones are the ones I'm missing. What if there wasn't any?
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2) Start tracking HNSO, it's not critical that you got back and get it but start from here out.
Ok, Thanks. I've been HNSO a couple of times; the other ones are the ones I'm missing. What if there wasn't any?
Write in something like "none", "N/A", or "No HNSO This Bout".
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I'm now wondering if it's worth setting up a mini web-clinic, where refs with experience in setting up crews offer resume/CV advice to others on what's good and helpful in one, as at the very least I'm slightly paranoid that mine's not helpful!
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I'm now wondering if it's worth setting up a mini web-clinic, where refs with experience in setting up crews offer resume/CV advice to others on what's good and helpful in one, as at the very least I'm slightly paranoid that mine's not helpful!
That would be a great idea! I've seen different ones; some simpler than others, some way fancy for me. (No knowledge of excel) I took what I liked and made my own but still had many questions. Reflmao helped me out a bit through messages.
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Being a brand new referee, I haven't thought about making a resume. But when I saw this thread, I gave it a go.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AolAWXXJpq2AdDJsM0dTSDVKTEpNX3BGUzV3b2Y3Smc (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AolAWXXJpq2AdDJsM0dTSDVKTEpNX3BGUzV3b2Y3Smc)
It's not much, but I guess it's smart to start with the resume now so I don't forget anything.
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I guess it's smart to start with the resume now so I don't forget anything.
Definitely keep track of all the officiating you do (for bouts). I always encourage officials who are working on resumes to put most recent work on top. Surprisingly a lot of folks don't do this but as head referee looking at a resume I want to easily see what you have done most recently
good luck
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar9wkTJ4q615dDdpYTlGUXZlZGh5RVRtZm1YWENYYWc
Try something like this. As they mentioned above the more info the better. Including contact info for references from past head refs when possible. Maybe i can grab a pointer or two by putting mine up.
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As they mentioned above the more info the better. Including contact info for references from past head refs when possible.
As also mentioned above, please make those email addresses "Available on request", unless you have explicit permission from those references to publicize their addresses on the web.
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Yes i should've mentioned that. Always ask for permission. Mine have been approved.
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I guess it's smart to start with the resume now so I don't forget anything.
Definitely keep track of all the officiating you do (for bouts). I always encourage officials who are working on resumes to put most recent work on top. Surprisingly a lot of folks don't do this but as head referee looking at a resume I want to easily see what you have done most recently
good luck
Good point! I'll reverse the order when I get home from work. :)
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar9wkTJ4q615dDdpYTlGUXZlZGh5RVRtZm1YWENYYWc
Try something like this. As they mentioned above the more info the better. Including contact info for references from past head refs when possible. Maybe i can grab a pointer or two by putting mine up.
Don't make other people's emails publicly available to the open Internet. This is wrong. Use your addressbook. Keep a separate document.
Stop. No. Bad.
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Any feedback on my work in progress thus far? It was quite difficult to go back 2 years when I finally decided to make a derby resume this summer, luckily there's a ref that has worked a lot of the same bouts that had already been keeping track!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An7Cosl5eeIWdEhtdEY2eHJzLW9HRTJ1eEM0amp3Wnc
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Any feedback on my work in progress thus far?
Acronym usage in league/team names is a really bad idea. I have no idea who was involved in most of the games you list because I don't have the acronyms for more than about fifteen leagues on instant recall, and any league that has the same initials as any other league starts to present problems. (For example (random, not from your resume): Is "MRD" Montreal Roller Derby or Mad Rollin' Dolls? I'm not sure. The ref is from Hamilton, ON, but the game was played at Midwest Brewhaha in Milwaukee, so... Yes, probably one of those two? But it could be Mobile, AL? Maybe Missoula, MT? Who knows?)
Yes, writing everything out takes up space. But trust me, the people who are looking at your resume and evaluating it to determine whether or not you're qualified to fill a given position will be far less likely to sigh & shuffle it to the bottom of the list for some time when they feel like wading through it and deciphering the information. They'll also be much more likely to gain an accurate sense of what sorts of bouts you've been officiating. (Tied to the earlier example, Montreal & Madison both have chartered teams that have been at WFTDA Big 5 tournaments for at least the past several years, so officiating their games is likely to be a different experience/level of game play than officiating in Mobile or Missoula.)
TLDR: League name acronyms should be avoided whenever possible on resumes.
And yes, in forum discussions, too, please! Everyone!
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Similarly, acronyms should be avoided on evals submitted. Same reason. Lotsa teams out there.
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TLDR: League name acronyms should be avoided whenever possible on resumes.
I would mostly agree with this, however the resume in question has very few acronyms, the main one is FCGGD, which is the home league of Bladeybug. I don't think it's a stretch to assume whoever is reading your resume can figure out the acronym for your home league.
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I'd still recommend not doing it. That's asking someone to do just a little bit more work.
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TLDR: League name acronyms should be avoided whenever possible on resumes.
I would mostly agree with this, however the resume in question has very few acronyms, the main one is FCGGD, which is the home league of Bladeybug. I don't think it's a stretch to assume whoever is reading your resume can figure out the acronym for your home league.
It's true I tried to make sure that was the only one, but I'll change it. Thanks!
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TLDR: League name acronyms should be avoided whenever possible on resumes.
I would mostly agree with this, however the resume in question has very few acronyms, the main one is FCGGD, which is the home league of Bladeybug. I don't think it's a stretch to assume whoever is reading your resume can figure out the acronym for your home league.
See, you might think that, but I took one look at the alphabet soup scattered all over the page and said, "Nope, not gonna bother looking at it." As a result, I really have no idea where Bladeybug is from and/or where they typically officiate, and I have absolutely no motivation to find out. And if I were responsible for reviewing such a resume prior to staffing an event, I'd probably give it a pass as soon as I saw it and only go back to it if I didn't have enough qualified applicants presenting easy-to-read and easy-to-understand information in their resumes.
In the words of a very wise THNSO I once knew....
Stop. No. Bad.
Remember, the people who have to look at these tend to have to look at a lot of these. And they're doing it as volunteers. The easier you make things for the reader of the document the better your chances are of being rostered at events to which you apply.
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...the alphabet soup scattered all over the page...
Fixed the team names. Any other pointers are welcome!
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Any other pointers are welcome!
Overall the presentation is nice & clean, and the layout makes a lot of sense. Good job! I really love the way you've set up the summary table at the top - very nice!
The only question/potential concern is with the asterisks next to some of the entries in the Position column. I can't find any indication of what those asterisks mean. You might want to find a way to incorporate a note somewhere (ideally at/near the top of the bout table or immediately under it) to the effect of "Items in the Position column marked with "*" denote [insert special circumstance here], and those marked with "**" denote [insert other special circumstance here]."
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Any other pointers are welcome!
Overall the presentation is nice & clean, and the layout makes a lot of sense. Good job! I really love the way you've set up the summary table at the top - very nice!
The only question/potential concern is with the asterisks next to some of the entries in the Position column. I can't find any indication of what those asterisks mean. You might want to find a way to incorporate a note somewhere (ideally at/near the top of the bout table or immediately under it) to the effect of "Items in the Position column marked with "*" denote [insert special circumstance here], and those marked with "**" denote [insert other special circumstance here]."
Ah, I'll get rid of those. That was me tracking which evals had posted :) Thanks!
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I just wanted to say thanks to all of you for your input and help getting my resume straightened out. It worked! I was chosen for CHNSO and THNSO coming up this season. :)
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Who all is using the new WFTDA formatted resume? Any issues? So far I like the layout, and it helps those of us who are somewhat challenged at formatting!
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It can be found here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArFDxcD07JHNdGd3M3pLLXBqa1VzcWJwbUNvTHdWdVE#gid=14).
I haven't moved my stuff over yet, but I will. As will anyone that is interested in certification or applying for WFTDA tournaments. I expect other multi-game events will also be requesting this.
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Any thoughts on where to put intraleague games and interleague games that were played under WFTDA rules, but may not have been hosted by a WFTDA league? Should those be classified as "Other" in the WFTDA tabs or should they go in the "Other History" tab? The notes and instructions don't seem to explain this.
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Any thoughts on where to put intraleague games and interleague games that were played under WFTDA rules, but may not have been hosted by a WFTDA league? Should those be classified as "Other" in the WFTDA tabs or should they go in the "Other History" tab? The notes and instructions don't seem to explain this.
Don't take this as the "right" way to do it, as I haven't the foggiest idea. But from the way it is set up, if a WFTDA member league (full or apprentice) is hosting the game (be it intraleague, interleague sanctioned, interleague regulation, interleague non-regulation) then I am placing it on the WFTDA tab and checking the appropriate box ("other" for non-regulation stuff).
If it is hosted by a non-WFTDA league then I am placing it on the Other tab, even for non-regulation games that are played according to the full rules.
This does make a sort of contradiction if Tinsel Town is a WFTDA AP league and Water City is a non-WFTDA team, and they play a pair of games. The game that Tinsel Town hosts I will put on the WFTDA tab, and the game that Water City hosts I will place on the Other tab.
But I believe that is what the document is looking for. And, if I'm wrong and receive clarification to the contrary, it isn't difficult to cut and paste from one tab to the other once the data is there.
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I currently interpret the vaguely conflicting instructions to mean that only games among strictly WFTDA members (AP or full, intra or inter) go on the WFTDA tab. If either team comes from a non-WFTDA-member league, regardless of who's hosting, then I'm moving it over to the Other tab. But I look forward to said clarification; management has been asked about this ambiguity.
As to the 'Other' tab... They tell us that it's only for our 'personal tracking', and explicitly suggest editing the category titles. But I sorta took the 'personal tracking' concept to heart and renamed the whole tab 'Overall History'. I'm including all my games there, duplicating the WFTDA games onto the WFTDA tab. Idea is that I'd like an all-inclusive summary in one place. I find that more valuable than a pair of segregated summaries.
Other small tweaks:
- Added a 'Notes' column at the end (as the WFTDA tabs have).
- Added a new column G in my 'Overall Summary' for position-by-position totals.
- Edited the (now deleted) Live Form so its questions actually produce data that line up with the columns of the doc. (not sure I'll ever actually use this, though)
And a general tip: As usual, use the 'Share' button in the upper right to change access to "Anyone who has the link can view". But then don't copy that address they give you there. Close that 'Share' window & open the pretty 'WFTDA Summary' tab, where your name & picture are. Now copy the address up at the top of your browser. It should end in "...#gid=6". Sending folks to that address will immediately pop to your summary, instead of the generic instructions sheet.
So with that, here's my résumé: http://goo.gl/7UGL8
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I agree with Megapickle - this document is going to be used as part of the certification process (hense it's placement). RefCert has never cared for games that involved non-WFTDA leagues.
In my old referee resume, I split up games between WFTDA Sanctioned, WFTDA Regulation, and Regulation. The later was for regulation games that included one or two non-WFTDA or AP leagues. I think the same applies with the new one.
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In my old referee resume, I split up games between WFTDA Sanctioned, WFTDA Regulation, and Regulation. The later was for regulation games that included one or two non-WFTDA or AP leagues. I think the same applies with the new one.
I thought that at first too. Except it was pointed out that the "Other" column under the WFTDA tab's instruction says this:
This category includes intraleague, challenge and other games held by WFTDA member leagues that do not fall under the three categories.
Challenge games are often times 30 minute exhibitions. They are many times mixer-style, and may include WFTDA and non-WFTDA skaters.
Since it specifically states, "held by WFTDA member leagues" I conceded the point (and it also makes it easier for me to organize, so, there's that) and am listing those non-WFTDA teams that play a game hosted by a WFTDA league.
But as mentioned, once the date is on the document it is very easy to cut and paste from one tab to the other. So if this is clarified how they want things placed, I am more than happy to put things where they belong.
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In my old referee resume, I split up games between WFTDA Sanctioned, WFTDA Regulation, and Regulation. The later was for regulation games that included one or two non-WFTDA or AP leagues. I think the same applies with the new one.
I thought that at first too. Except it was pointed out that the "Other" column under the WFTDA tab's instruction says this:
This category includes intraleague, challenge and other games held by WFTDA member leagues that do not fall under the three categories.
Challenge games are often times 30 minute exhibitions. They are many times mixer-style, and may include WFTDA and non-WFTDA skaters.
Since it specifically states, "held by WFTDA member leagues" I conceded the point (and it also makes it easier for me to organize, so, there's that) and am listing those non-WFTDA teams that play a game hosted by a WFTDA league.
But as mentioned, once the date is on the document it is very easy to cut and paste from one tab to the other. So if this is clarified how they want things placed, I am more than happy to put things where they belong.
Yes, and as an NSO...on the NSO WFTDA History tab the other column states This category includes intraleague, challenge bout and games using WFTDA ruleset that do not fall under the other categories.
So it didn't even mention WFTDA member leagues, just using WFTDA ruleset.
Seems some way or another will become standard over time, and as you pointed out, it won't be difficult to cut and paste from one page to another.
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Here is a copy of mine. Sadly the sheet about Skating is empty :( But my NSO side is filling up quite nicely
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtnpP1cpwlR6dHVFOERGMlFUei1FMTRGN0I4VVZsVXc&output=html
I really like that format - can i be lazy and ask for a link to download it?
Cheers!
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Seems like most stuff is going to fall under 'Other'. I'm using that for intraleague play, MRDA (including sanctioned), non-WFTDA teams (even using WFTDA rules), scrimmages and mixed team tournaments. Only thing I am not sure on is WFTDA C team scrimmages (i.e. Bay Area home team v. Sacred home team) Both are WFTDA leagues and the game is regulation, but not with official travel teams. Probably 'other' until I hear otherwise.
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Mav, From my understanding, if it is a bout between two WFTDA leagues, it goes under other on the WFTDA tab. The "OTHER" tab is for bouts that aren't WFTDA members or full bouts.
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At this point, I've followed MegaPickle's lead and done everything involving 2 WFTDA member/apprentice teams and intraleague bouts on the WFTDA tab and made my Other tab an overall summary which includes WFTDA, USARS, MRDA, JRs, and mixups.
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Is anyone else having problems with the dates not wanting to be in the right format? Does anyone know how to fix the problem?
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Is anyone else having problems with the dates not wanting to be in the right format? Does anyone know how to fix the problem?
The dates should already be formatted correctly, except for the "WFTDA NSO" page.
To reformat the date, select the cells in question (or column) > "Format" menu > "Number" > go to "More formats" under the date options > select "2008-09-26"
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The dates should already be formatted correctly, except for the "WFTDA NSO" page.
To reformat the date, select the cells in question (or column) > "Format" menu > "Number" > go to "More formats" under the date options > select "2008-09-26"
This.
Anymore I just add a game, reformat the date using the above steps, then sort all the data by date to get everything in the proper order.
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alternatively, use the format painter tool in the toolbar to copy the format from another row.
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I added a separate table on the summary page to calculate my bouts by "position family" (Penalty Track, Penalty Management, Score & Timing).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AixpXZO6PQ-HdEFkcnFwTWZWNjN4dUZwQXlUV2JJTEE&usp=sharing
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I added a separate table on the summary page to calculate my bouts by "position family" (Penalty Track, Penalty Management, Score & Timing).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AixpXZO6PQ-HdEFkcnFwTWZWNjN4dUZwQXlUV2JJTEE&usp=sharing
If you intend to apply to the Division 1 or Division 2 Playoffs, I'd delete this. They specifically don't want you alter any of the WFTDA pages. I think this is a cool idea, but you might want to put it on a separate page.
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Yeah, I'd stick to only altering the "Other" tab as it specifies to pretty much use it how you will, and keep the WFTDA tabs as is.
(edited to correct a typo)
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Seems like most stuff is going to fall under 'Other'. I'm using that for intraleague play, MRDA (including sanctioned), non-WFTDA teams (even using WFTDA rules), scrimmages and mixed team tournaments. Only thing I am not sure on is WFTDA C team scrimmages (i.e. Bay Area home team v. Sacred home team) Both are WFTDA leagues and the game is regulation, but not with official travel teams. Probably 'other' until I hear otherwise.
A game between home teams of two different WFTDA leagues is a regulation bout and is evaluatable for cert so it definately goes on the WFTDA tab.
WFTDA doesn't have a special status for anything other than the charter team. The rest of the teams in a member league are all teams from a WFTDA member and can play regulation bouts, the designation of a home or travel team is not important.
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I added a separate table on the summary page to calculate my bouts by "position family" (Penalty Track, Penalty Management, Score & Timing).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AixpXZO6PQ-HdEFkcnFwTWZWNjN4dUZwQXlUV2JJTEE&usp=sharing
I like this idea, so I added something similar to my "other" (overall) summary page... So as to avoid changing the WFTDA page.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An7Cosl5eeIWdExkbHFpa09rSUwxdEM4dml1NmYxaVE#gid=16
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What do you guys do with non regulation tournaments? The type where there are a lot of 30 minute bouts. Do you list each bout seperately?
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What do you guys do with non regulation tournaments? The type where there are a lot of 30 minute bouts. Do you list each bout seperately?
I place these on my "other" tab, listing each game separately and writing in my position code into the "other" category. In the notes section (I had to add a notes section to the "other" tab) I list the reason why it was an "other" category. In these instances it was because the games were 30 mins.
In my case I have run into a number of double headers in which the main event was a sanctioned game, and the "B" game was held against a non-WFTDA team and was a 40-minute (2-20 min halves) game. Since a non-WFTDA team played it goes into the "other" tab, and since it was a non-regulation length game it goes into the "other" category as well. And I make the notation that the 2nd team was non-WFTDA and that it was only a 40 min game.
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We've been explicitly directed by the doc's designers that as long as WFTDA-member skaters make up both teams, and the WFTDA rules are being (generally) followed, then they can go onto the WFTDA tab (in the Other column). That's true even if small rule changes are made, such as length or number of periods.
It does sorta feel like resume-padding though, to have short games 'count' the same as full games, and I think that's why some officials are still keeping them off of the WFTDA tab. Myself, I'm including them for now.
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We've been explicitly directed by the doc's designers that as long as WFTDA-member skaters make up both teams
Correct, and in the case I cited there was a non-WFTDA team playing a WFTDA team which needs to go into the Other tab. I figured since he specified it was a non-regulation tournament that non-WFTDA teams were playing in it. If they were WFTDA team vs WFTDA team then they should go in the WFTDA tab. Otherwise, the Other tab.
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Ahh. Good stuff to know. We were told a bout didn't qualify as regulation because one team didn't have the right color helmet covers. I didn't think that made much sense at all. Unfortunately, only 3 teams of the 12 in this specific instance were WFTDA and I think there was only one WFTDA/WFTDA bout out of all 28 or so bouts.
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Figured I'd tack on a question to this thread rather than start a new one:
What do you put down for "Tournament Name" if the bout is just an ordinary weekend bout between two teams? If the hosting team is marketing the bout with a cool name ("Rink of Fire" "July Madness") I will put that. But for a closed bout where there is no marketing, or for a bout where the home team just says "Us" vs "Them" what do you do?
a) Leave that cell blank?
b) Put in a descriptive name? ("closed bout" or "double header" or "sanctioned bout")
c) Put some standard text like "unnamed bout"?
d) Something else?
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I end up leaving that cell blank unless it's a multi-day event, even if there is clever marketing.
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Would anyone who has converted to the 2015 format care to share the results of their labors?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mXjmiZ-LGFl9LBHKWwdnxXvm1yAw4PuO9o97Z_3T7tM/edit#gid=1579335799
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I think it should conform to the instruction page. If that isn't clear, look here for the wftda reference Game History: http://wftda.com/gh15ss (http://wftda.com/gh15ss)
I will add that the new game history makes it clear non ap/full member games now clearly go in the other COLUMN so long as it conforms to the wftda or mrda associations. If a game has a minor rule change it will go in the other COLUMN (if WFTDA or MRDA) with the change notated in the notes column.
My History
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eAwEFJfCtnUdaQoucgwOm7_Gd5SvEwQwZQ1fbDVJXtU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eAwEFJfCtnUdaQoucgwOm7_Gd5SvEwQwZQ1fbDVJXtU/edit?usp=sharing)
The Other Tab is now more clearly defined as being things not under the wftda or mrda associations. Such as: MADE, Banked, Juniors, USARS.
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Here's mine: http://goo.gl/vdSwvT (http://goo.gl/vdSwvT) The example history they posted also helped clarify where to put what games. The only thing left in my "other" tab is Juniors games at this point.
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The inclusion of games played by non member leagues using the WFTDA/MRDA a ruleset is a dramatic shift in policy. The majority of my game history has been of such.
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Here is mine: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=227E65649426E4EF!134604&authkey=!AHVVQaE7rMkglnQ&ithint=file%2cxlsx (https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=227E65649426E4EF!134604&authkey=!AHVVQaE7rMkglnQ&ithint=file%2cxlsx)
Would love to play in a regulation/sanctioned game one day. I'm guessing the new format makes it easier to select refs for tournaments etc, right?
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Would love to play in a regulation/sanctioned game one day. I'm guessing the new format makes it easier to select refs for tournaments etc, right?
Right. And to be clear - you could always put games between non-member leagues in your history. They just had to go either in the "other" tab or on the "other" sheet, depending on things and stuff. Now, the only things that go on the other tab are alternate rulesets.
WFTDA tournament eligibility is determined solely by the reg/sanctioned counts on that locked page, but anyone looking at your game history for any other purpose might be interested to see if you've reffed 3 non-regulation games or 300.
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My own understanding is that while it has specific features for certain Tournaments, it was designed to be more useful for anyone trying to do officials' staffing.
Example: for those of us who do both SO and NSO, it is easier to see at a glance the mix of our recent games, or to go diving for specifics.
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My resume is here: http://tinyurl.com/axisofstevil
You'll notice I made a tweaked the summary page at the bottom by adding two small areas. One is for the photo credit and my short URL to the document. The second shows my total # of WFTDA and MRDA games combined.
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How would your treat a "public scrimmage" that was played like a normal game between two teams under the WFTDA-Ruleset ... 2x30min, full Ref- and NSO-Crew, Scoreboard, public, etc. ?
Would you put it to the "Other History" or to the "WFTDA-History"
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Scrimmages of whatever type typically do not go on the resume. The line between "scrimmage" and "game" is not well defined, but public scrimmages aren't generally considered games.
I've occasionally seen people who add an entirely new tab on scrimmages to keep track of them. You could do such a thing, but at the risk of speaking for Cert it's doubtful that they would pay any attention to it. Scrimmages vary too much in procedure and adherence to the rules for Cert to know if it's a "by the books" kinda scrimmage vs. the lax sort of scrimmage where skaters do 10 pushups in the penalty box then return to the track.
If it's really something you want to track, put it on the "other" tab. As the instructions page indicates ,"This information is not considered as part of any WFTDA/MRDA evaluation of your experience but is included so that you may utilize a single game history for your officiating career."
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My resume is here: http://tinyurl.com/axisofstevil
You'll notice I made a tweaked the summary page at the bottom by adding two small areas. One is for the photo credit and my short URL to the document. The second shows my total # of WFTDA and MRDA games combined.
Stevil, I'm not trying to get on you or anything but I've always been told not to make modifications to the Game History Resume'. I'm pretty sure I even remember reading that if you did modify your game history in anyway and you wanted to apply to Division 1, Division 2 Playoffs or Champs, you would have to change it back into the original formatting before they accepted your application.
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If it's really something you want to track, put it on the "other" tab. As the instructions page indicates ,"This information is not considered as part of any WFTDA/MRDA evaluation of your experience but is included so that you may utilize a single game history for your officiating career."
My undestanding is that the "Other" tab is now reserved for other *rulesets*. Games played under WFTDA rules in the new version of the history go in the main history tab (if you chose to list them at all) with a game type of "Other."
I have a few scrimmages on my game history that were run as "all-but-regulation", i.e. with medics, rope, a scoreboard, etc. I don't worry that anyone will look askance at them, because I'm pretty sure tournament staffing folks, Cert, etc. are only looking at the totals for "Sanctioned" and "Regulation" play, and so don't really care about anything marked "Other".
This does of course raise the question of why put them on if no one is looking, and I think the answer is that I'm a completist, and I like to have a full history of my significant derby experience. If I'm working a scrimmage with a full complement of officials and equipment, then that, to my mind, is significant enough to warrant a record.
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Stevil, I'm not trying to get on you or anything but I've always been told not to make modifications to the Game History Resume'. I'm pretty sure I even remember reading that if you did modify your game history in anyway and you wanted to apply to Division 1, Division 2 Playoffs or Champs, you would have to change it back into the original formatting before they accepted your application.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data," but have an additional tab on my history marked "Other Calculations", and my game history was accepted when I applied to playoffs as an NSO this year. Things may be different on the ref side. Or, I may be getting a phone call after this post goes up rescinding my playoff staffing until I change my game history. :)