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Title: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: DanDaMan on February 20, 2012, 11:06:11 pm
Has anyone else experienced this? We had a Regulation bout that had 23 jams and one team made three star passes. That is 26 lines of information for the Lineups and the score keeping sheets, but they only have 25 lines for information.
Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: mick hawkins on February 21, 2012, 02:07:26 am
Has anyone else experienced this? We had a Regulation bout that had 23 jams and one team made three star passes. That is 26 lines of information for the Lineups and the score keeping sheets, but they only have 25 lines for information.

yep

if it happened in period 1, make jam 26 the first jam in period 2
if it happened in period 2, add jam 1 from period 2 to the bottom of period 1
it is SUPER important that you renumber the jams so that each period has 1-25 jams... if you don;t the stats will be wrong
do not number the jams 1-23, then start again at 1... all on the period 1 page


of course if you have over 25 jams in both periods... that's a pain
all I can suggest then is you dont list the star passes on separate lines - keep them as one jam
... not ideal, but better than nothing
Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: SeerSin on February 21, 2012, 03:31:08 am
I'd say the first thing is make sure the information is recorded during the game and sort it out later. Use the back of the sheet if you have to. It breaks the stats book and stats for those extra lines would not be calculated in the final summary sheets. Unfortunately there's not much that can be done, when sending the stats to the participating teams I might include a scan of the hand written sheets and just let them know what happened.
Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: GlamGirl on April 15, 2012, 05:07:23 pm

if it happened in period 1, make jam 26 the first jam in period 2
if it happened in period 2, add jam 1 from period 2 to the bottom of period 1
it is SUPER important that you renumber the jams so that each period has 1-25 jams... if you don;t the stats will be wrong
do not number the jams 1-23, then start again at 1... all on the period 1 page


of course if you have over 25 jams in both periods... that's a pain
all I can suggest then is you dont list the star passes on separate lines - keep them as one jam
... not ideal, but better than nothing

Cheers for this - it's just happened to me, 26 jams in period 2, and I was wondering what to do. I tried to re-jig the excel sheets and everything went bonkers. Now I can finish them up and when I send them off the visiting team I'll be sure the say what I've done
Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: theMadStatter on April 16, 2012, 04:04:54 pm
How many jams per period would be a reasonable limit? 

30 jams in a 30 minute period would work out to an average of around 32 seconds per jam (factoring in the 30 seconds between jam, with the last jam starting just before the period ends), while the current 25 jams per period works out to around 45 seconds per jam.  A quick visual check through my available data shows that 20-25 second jams can easily occur (17 seconds is the fastest I've found so far)

And is space for more passes really needed (is Juke Boxx's 40 point jam in USA vs Scotland the highest?)

Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: bjmacke on April 16, 2012, 11:28:46 pm
Lateral expansion will be easier once the real estate used for ghost points gets reclaimed. Vertical expansion would require either thinner lines (meh) or elimination of header/footer space.

There is the unfortunate side effect of chasing rare events is that the average games will use less paper real estate. That's not that big of a deal, but it did get frustrating looking at a 1PT tracking sheet and realizing you only used <5% of the boxes in a game.
Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: GlamGirl on April 17, 2012, 09:42:49 am
(17 seconds is the fastest I've found so far)


The quickest recorded jam I have is 14 seconds along with a 17 and a 19 second one - all in the same period which is one of the reasons I had the 26 jams  :)

Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: theMadStatter on April 17, 2012, 03:40:22 pm
Lateral expansion will be easier once the real estate used for ghost points gets reclaimed. Vertical expansion would require either thinner lines (meh) or elimination of header/footer space.

Or change score sheets to portrait mode - if ghost point columns are removed, there should be plenty of space saved to fit (giving lots of room for extra rows - an extra 2 1/2 inches is 6 extra rows).

Even if the lines were thinner, at least it wouldn't be as bad as the action/errors sheets (six columns of data and forty some rows, and they made it landscape?)
Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: Wheels Bohr on April 23, 2012, 07:55:59 pm
if it happened in period 1, make jam 26 the first jam in period 2
if it happened in period 2, add jam 1 from period 2 to the bottom of period 1
it is SUPER important that you renumber the jams so that each period has 1-25 jams... if you don;t the stats will be wrong
do not number the jams 1-23, then start again at 1... all on the period 1 page


of course if you have over 25 jams in both periods... that's a pain
all I can suggest then is you dont list the star passes on separate lines - keep them as one jam
... not ideal, but better than nothing

+1 for this Mick. In case it isn't clear to those of you trying this, you have to change the jam numbers across all sheets (Score Penalties & Lineup), not just the scoretracking sheet to keep the stats correct.

So in the case of 26 jams in the second period for example, you are completely pretending that the first jam of the second period was the last jam of the first period. So all jam numbers on the second period lineup and penalty sheets would be reduced by one, and any penalties or lineup entries for the initial second period jam would also be moved to the first period.

This is necessary to avoid modifying any formulas which would be a true headache.
Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: El Toupée on May 10, 2012, 09:00:31 pm
Following on from this...

Suzy Hotrod broke the WFTDA points-in-a-single-Jam record recently (40), and a Men's bout last year (I believe) featured a 45pnt Jam.

Is there a uniformly recognised method of recording such a feat?

My immediate reaction would be to jump to the next line on the relevant sheet and treat it like a variant of a Star Pass, but what about recording it after-the-fact (and before issuing it to the WFTDA)?

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: Wheels Bohr on May 10, 2012, 09:12:03 pm
I agree with treating it like a star pass, as was said earlier just get the information down somehow.

I believe the best place that these things are tracked currently is on FlatTrackStats.com/labs (http://FlatTrackStats.com/labs)
The current record listed is by Tallahassee's Low Maim (I was JR for the other team at the time), so I'm not sure why they don't have the Suzy Hotrod record you mention.  I think someone just needs to upload the stats book.
Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: nsodave on June 10, 2012, 07:39:52 am
Talk to your head NSO. I always have (2) period 1 and (2) period 2 sheets for each half per team in case there are more than 25 entries. This will cover star passes and jams in excess of 25 per half. This has happened and we just put jam 26 at the top of the second sheet of the same period.
Title: Re: Too Many Jams for the paperwork
Post by: SmackTavish on July 27, 2012, 05:22:51 pm
I gotta print out MORE pages, nsodave? ;)

I'd tell my crew to use the back of the page.

By the way, we just had a 21-jam period 1 and a 25-jam period 2.

In other news, I bet Rinxter is salivating, since they're a cloud-based tracking system instead of paper-based.