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Older Rulesets => 5/26/2010 Rules => Rules Discussion 5/26/2010 => Topic started by: qwerty on November 14, 2012, 06:34:26 pm

Title: 9.2.10 Clarification
Post by: qwerty on November 14, 2012, 06:34:26 pm
Knowing rule 9.2.10...

[rule]9.2.10 - In the event that there is a disagreement regarding a referee’s call or scoring, only the Captains or their Designated Alternates may discuss the ruling with the referees. Skaters, coaches or managers may act as Designated Alternates.[/rule]

If the Captain and Designated Alternate are skating in a bout and the team also has a bench coach/manager, when the C or A approach the refs for an official review may the bench coach/manager approach as well?

If yes:
Do they stand back and just listen, not talk?
Can they speak if they are only addressing the captain of their team and not the refs?

If no:
Well, it's obvious then that ONLY the C or A may approach and talk to the refs for an official review.

I know this is a weird question, I'm just looking for an interpretation/real life scenario...
Title: Re: 9.2.10 Clarification
Post by: Celtic Raider on November 14, 2012, 06:59:56 pm
Personally I only let the C and A come into the middle ever (which is where I hold all my ORs).  If the Coach is the A then they are welcome obviously.  Too make people trying to argue their case leads to confusion in my experience.

Non C or A players or coaches can call me over to talk, if I have time, and I will answer them but they can't ask for TO or OR.
Title: Re: 9.2.10 Clarification
Post by: Major Wood on November 14, 2012, 08:25:52 pm
I definitely allow non C or A people into the middle if something comes up. I have even allowed them to do most of the talking in in official review.

In that case, the A said that she could describe the situation better and that they were wanting a penalty call. The A called the official review, but the meat of the discussion was lead by a skater not wearing the C or A.
Title: Re: 9.2.10 Clarification
Post by: Nick Bergus on November 14, 2012, 08:26:36 pm
My two cents: I think there are practical concerns to consider.

If you have seven referees, two captains, and two designated alternates already, it can be hard for those 11 people to get close enough to hear each other in even venues that aren't particularly loud. Adding a bench coach (or two!) can exacerbate the problem. (It also adds another body or two to wrangle out of the way of NSOs and whiteboard sight lines.)

On the other hand, if one team asked for an official review and the opponent's captain and alternate are both in the box or otherwise unable to participate, I'd want a bench coach there to at least convey the information to the team in a timely manner. (Even if I moved the conference towards the penalty box so the captain and alternate could hear, they can't leave to explain to their teammates.)
Title: Re: 9.2.10 Clarification
Post by: hottrod on November 15, 2012, 08:06:13 pm
Definetly agree with M Wood on this one. Anyone with a valid point is allowed into the middle to argue their point as long as one of the team officers described in the rule are present also and there are no more than needed to get their point across. This one falls under the category of making sure everyone feels like their concerns were taken seriously and their was no bias. This is one of the rules where ref discretion can be used without affecting the game.
Title: Re: 9.2.10 Clarification
Post by: Brad Religion on November 16, 2012, 09:39:34 pm
The rules state that only the C or A can request a TO or OR... Not that they have to be the ones to provide the information during it. Perhaps it's strange that no one else has tried this when I'm the head ref, but I can't see a reason to not allow it.
Title: Re: 9.2.10 Clarification
Post by: Darkjester on November 19, 2012, 08:21:13 pm
Update via New Rules 1 Jan 13.

[rule]9.2.10 In   the event   that   there is a   disagreement regarding   a referee’s call   or scoring, only the   Captains or their Designated Alternates   may   discuss the ruling with the referees. Skaters,   coaches, or    managers  may act as Designated   Alternates[/rule]
Title: Re: 9.2.10 Clarification
Post by: Major Wood on November 19, 2012, 10:24:07 pm
I would still view this as being able to allow input from any skater, with my approval. That skater is just not able to discuss the outcome of the review. "ruling" being the key word here.