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Non-Skating Officials => General NSO Discussion => Topic started by: DocSkinner on November 24, 2012, 09:01:13 pm

Title: The skater must stand upright
Post by: DocSkinner on November 24, 2012, 09:01:13 pm
[rule]7.2.3.1 - When there are 10 seconds remaining on the penalty clock of a penalized skater, that skater will be instructed by the penalty timer to stand. The skater must stand upright.[/rule]

I get that this rule is intended to let the other team know when a skater is standing. It prevents the skater from crouching over the seat in an attempt to appear as if she is still seated.  But how far do you take the enforcement?

Do you allow a skater to get into a takeoff stance before she is released, or must she stand at attention for the full 10 seconds?
Title: Re: The skater must stand upright
Post by: The Gorram Reaver on November 24, 2012, 11:02:34 pm
[rule]7.2.3.1 - When there are 10 seconds remaining on the penalty clock of a penalized skater, that skater will be instructed by the penalty timer to stand. The skater must stand upright.[/rule]

I get that this rule is intended to let the other team know when a skater is standing. It prevents the skater from crouching over the seat in an attempt to appear as if she is still seated.  But how far do you take the enforcement?

Do you allow a skater to get into a takeoff stance before she is released, or must she stand at attention for the full 10 seconds?

This rule is aimed at making sure all the officials in the venue know a skater is about to reenter play; the fact that the opposing team is also able to take advantage of this is irrelevant.  "Upright" means "upright", and it must be clearly obvious to every official in the venue that that skater is standing, even those officials positioned in places where sight lines or game participants may partially obstruct their view. 

What does her "takeoff stance" look like?  Is she in a position that could be described as upright, or in a crouch?  If she's standing and one foot is forward of another but she's not hunched over in any way, probably fine.  If she has both hands on the floor and is getting ready to do a track-style sprinter's start, absolutely not.  If she's somewhere in the middle?  Well, if she's somewhere between crouched on the floor and standing upright, then she's not standing upright, is she?
Title: Re: The skater must stand upright
Post by: ClockRoach on December 02, 2012, 02:05:40 am
The closest the rules get to defining "upright" is the glossary definition for "standing:"
[rule]A skater who is upright holding their body weight on their skates.[/rule]

Judging by that and other uses of "upright" throughout the rules, I'd assume that as long as all of their weight is on their skates (not touching the chair at all and nothing but skates on the floor), they'd be considered upright regardless of whatever takeoff position or yoga pose they want to assume.
Title: Re: The skater must stand upright
Post by: Riff Reff on December 04, 2012, 11:00:55 pm
My opinion: She must stand so that her seat is available for another penalised player and it must be visible to the officials that her seat is free. If she does not stand her teams gains an advantage if there is a player in the queue to go to the box but does not get sent there as soon as possible because the seat seems to be unavailable.

This is a checkbox for your captain's meeting!
Title: Re: The skater must stand upright
Post by: bjmacke on December 05, 2012, 02:19:32 am
I don't see that as related, since it's the responsibility of the PBM to communicate to the infield that a spot is available. Ideally a PBM doesn't relay that out until the skater actually stands to avoid queueing troubles, but that's a separate issue from the obligation to stand.

As far as upright/standing, I'm not sure it'd be fair to say that a hovering skater has met her obligation to stand, and that's largely based on (what I see as) the basic justification for the standing requirement: To visually communicate to everyone that this skater has less than ten seconds left before she is released back into play. To allow a skater to fool everyone into thinking she has more than ten seconds left in her penalty gives her team the unfair advantage.  Therefore a PBO's expectation of standing ought to be that it's unambiguous to an outside observer that this skater is no longer sitting. She can hold whatever pose she wants, so long as it doesn't appear to be occupying a chair.
Title: Re: The skater must stand upright
Post by: Nick Bergus on December 05, 2012, 03:09:17 am
I agree with Apron. I've said this before but it bears repeating: standing in the box is at least as much a signal to those playing the game as it is officials.

The rules require jammers to be clearly identifiable, and deny unidentified ("inactive") jammers the ability score points. The rules require players about to leave the penalty box and reenter play to be clearly identifiable, and deny those who aren't the ability to complete their penalty time and reenter play.