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Title: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Bravehurt on January 05, 2013, 05:30:54 pm
Hi,

We are preparing the next bout and after having seen some pictures on the forum, we have made our new penalty whiteboard.

What do you think ?

Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: HIM-roid on January 05, 2013, 07:08:42 pm
I like it. Only concern that I would have is that both teams will be able to see it. I know at my venue, we have separate boards that point/aim toward that team so they can see it. The look is clean and appealing.
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Major Wood on January 06, 2013, 12:37:09 am
I like it. Only concern that I would have is that both teams will be able to see it. I know at my venue, we have separate boards that point/aim toward that team so they can see it. The look is clean and appealing.

The board above is compliant with standard practices. You'll notice that at WFTDA tournaments, there is a single white board (or two side by side, effectively working as a single whiteboard) pointing in a direction that allows both teams to see both sides of the whiteboard equally.
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: FNZebra on January 06, 2013, 04:19:08 am
I shan't discuss details of strategy, but some teams like to see both teams' penalties on the IWB, not just their own.
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Sintax on January 06, 2013, 10:18:07 pm
The board above is compliant with standard practices. You'll notice that at WFTDA tournaments, there is a single white board (or two side by side, effectively working as a single whiteboard) pointing in a direction that allows both teams to see both sides of the whiteboard equally.
So Wood, are you saying there is value in both teams being able to see both boards? Is this something that we should be aiming for until the new Standard Pracs doc is released?
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Major Wood on January 07, 2013, 12:23:33 am
The board above is compliant with standard practices. You'll notice that at WFTDA tournaments, there is a single white board (or two side by side, effectively working as a single whiteboard) pointing in a direction that allows both teams to see both sides of the whiteboard equally.
So Wood, are you saying there is value in both teams being able to see both boards? Is this something that we should be aiming for until the new Standard Pracs doc is released?

Not saying anything about the value of anything. I'm saying that the standard practice is to have a single whiteboard (or two acting as one larger board). This results in both teams being able to see.

I am positive that some leagues do keep an eye on the opposing teams penalties.

Personally, I prefer it that way. We are providing information. I feel like we should be providing information equally to both teams.
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Megapickle on January 07, 2013, 01:36:27 am
Here's what our person came up with. For reference, I think those are 10-inch floor tiles. Used it in our poorly-lit large venue last night. It sufficed, I'd say. Coaches did walk out fairly regularly to check it, and I'm OK with that. I would say that this is the smallest board I'd recommend.

(Do disregard the very non-standard order of the roster numbers. Rookie mistake. Alpha-numeric sort, folks.)
(We will be labeling the top TO & OR boxes.)
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Darth Bling on January 07, 2013, 10:27:45 pm
Here's what our person came up with. For reference, I think those are 10-inch floor tiles. Used it in our poorly-lit large venue last night. It sufficed, I'd say. Coaches did walk out fairly regularly to check it, and I'm OK with that. I would say that this is the smallest board I'd recommend.

I was standing by the team benches during that bout and it was very hard to read the red ink on that white board, especially when there was glare coming off the lights.  JMO, but I'd use with black markers for both teams next time.
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Laddie on January 07, 2013, 10:33:04 pm
For those who can't draw a straight line to save their life (me), I made a digital IWB available with production notes:
http://www.zebrahuddle.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=69
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: DocSkinner on January 08, 2013, 09:09:09 pm
According to the new Standard Practices document for 2013 (http://wftda.com/rules/wftda-officiating-standardized-practices.pdf (http://wftda.com/rules/wftda-officiating-standardized-practices.pdf)):

[rule]The inside whiteboard should be placed at the center of the track between the pivot and jammer lines, visible to the team benches.[/rule]

It does not mention what to do if the venue requires non-standard bench locations. I have seen many venues with team benches located so that a whiteboard positioned between the pivot and jammer lines would not be visible to the benches. There is no indication which of the three criteria (single board, located in the center, visible to both teams) are the most important.

The document does state "Being uniquely concerned with interleague and tournament practices and ignoring home needs." So one might think that home teams could easily ignore the whiteboard requirements.  But even for interleague and tournament play, the team benches do not have to be located on the sideline between the jammer and pivot line. They can even be in the infield (2.1.4). So this is not just an issue for home teams.
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: hottrod on January 08, 2013, 09:55:24 pm
The venue we practice in is small with only five feet from the outside of the track to the wall protecting the spectators so both benches are in the middle. When this happens we will take two smaller boards and turn them back to back and put both teams on each side. It makes it slightly harder for the IWB person to mark both sides but not enough to make it a huge inconvenience and both teams are within inches of it so there is no problem with them seeing it. A good IWB person can keep up just fine as long as they pay attention. Thought about putting only the team facing the board on each side but they like to see each others stats and are used to that so we do what the skaters want. Not a big deal really.
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Jazz Hands on January 14, 2013, 07:45:18 pm
Hi,

We are preparing the next bout and after having seen some pictures on the forum, we have made our new penalty whiteboard.

What do you think ?

So pretty! I prefer one. on the middle of the track. That's what we do. Works fine. (except if they write too small - working on that!)

What are the measurements?
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Samuel Bergus on January 14, 2013, 07:47:48 pm
One thing I'm keeping in mind while laying out our whiteboard, the new Stats Book provides the maximum 20 roster spots. Although only 14 of those skaters can skate in a particular bout, I think this might make more teams aware that they are able to show up with their whole charter roster.

I'm going to lay out our new board with 20 spots to match the paperwork, thus eliminate the need to rewrite the board and redo paperwork when/if a team decided to change up their rosters right before a bout.
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Jazz Hands on January 14, 2013, 07:50:11 pm
One thing I'm keeping in mind while laying out our whiteboard, the new Stats Book provides the maximum 20 roster spots. Although only 14 of those skaters can skate in a particular bout, I think this might make more teams aware that they are able to show up with their whole charter roster.

I'm going to lay out our new board with 20 spots to match the paperwork, thus eliminate the need to rewrite the board and redo paperwork when/if a team decided to change up their rosters right before a bout.

Yeah. I found that odd. And there are no spaces for alternate skaters.

[rule]1.2 At most, fourteen skaters may be on the roster for a specific game. Leagues may rotate their game roster from their team roster between games.[/rule]
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: DocSkinner on January 15, 2013, 08:24:34 pm
Don't forget about home rules. For our home, intra-league games, we allow the teams to roster all 20 skaters. In fact, it is a home rule that each and every skater must skate at least four jams per game. This was done because we realized that the new skaters were the ones most likely to sell tickets to friends and family and then they might not even be rostered, or if rostered they might not skate. So I was thrilled to see a stats book set up for 20 skaters, and our whiteboard will reflect this as well.
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Samuel Bergus on January 15, 2013, 08:39:42 pm
Don't forget about home rules. For our home, intra-league games, we allow the teams to roster all 20 skaters. In fact, it is a home rule that each and every skater must skate at least four jams per game. This was done because we realized that the new skaters were the ones most likely to sell tickets to friends and family and then they might not even be rostered, or if rostered they might not skate. So I was thrilled to see a stats book set up for 20 skaters, and our whiteboard will reflect this as well.

That's a good reason, it also makes it easier to get the paperwork prepared ahead of time. I'm planning on just ask for the visiting team's team roster, fill out all of the paperwork using all 20 skaters, and just crossing off the six skater's the team won't be skating for the specific game. For sanctioned games, the team roster has to be set 30 days in advance, while the skating roster can change at any time up to the start of the bout.
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: Moxie Furious on March 25, 2013, 05:04:48 am
I just did our white board/chalkboard for our first home bout. It's a kid's whiteboard/chalkboard easel from IKEA (Mala, it was 15 bucks). Our set up is going to be both teams inside the track, due to space issues, so the board will be between them. One team gets chalkboard, one gets the whiteboard side. I used 1/2inch vinyl tape to grid it off, and the 6th penalty spot has an orange line, and the line before the 7th is red. I suppose we'll see how it works out. Worst case scenario it's not readable enough (21 and half inches by 22 inches), and we clamp larger boards to the easel.
Oh and one thing to look into is using dry erase crayons rather than markers. They take a little work to wipe off, so your board isn't detroyed by an inadvertent brush of the sleeve, and no worrying about running out of ink.
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: molotovmuffin on March 29, 2013, 02:33:51 am
Here's the IWB that we use.  The IWB op makes a small mark for penalty given and then fills in the square when the skater actually enters the PB. Spaces on top for TO and OR.(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/27125_10200331546345029_1009440971_n.jpg)

It works for us.

*sorry it's so big!
Title: Re: News Rules Set and Penalty Whiteboard
Post by: SmackTavish on March 31, 2013, 04:11:25 pm
We had to move our Penalty Box (for safety issues) and while we're moving that from the straightaway to turn 4, we're rethinking our inside whiteboard. I'm going to set it up for our coming scrim to do one side with black (or dark) markers on a white background (standard whiteboard configuration) and then silver or neon markers on a black background. We'll see which one works better for our crew and adjust.

Has anyone had any experience using a blackboard or darker markerboard for IWB?