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Title: Ref Intros
Post by: L8R SK8R on January 19, 2009, 02:51:23 am
I want to know what kind of intros people have done for refs.

In Charlotte a crowd pleaser is the Bowling Pins, where all the refs do a lap as we're introduced, then line up at one end of the inside of the track in a triangle, and when the head ref does his lap he skates towards the other refs and throws his helmet at us, and we all fall over like bowling pins. They eat it up like crazy.

Another one we've used is the Whoah Bundy, where, after the ref introductions, we all put one hand in the middle of the circle and shout "Whoah Bundy" and throw up the one hand. Fans of late 80's TV love that one.

But we can't think of other fun ones (blah, unoriginality). Any ideas?
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: DayGlo Divine on January 19, 2009, 03:42:57 am
I want to know what kind of intros people have done for refs.

In Charlotte a crowd pleaser is the Bowling Pins, where all the refs do a lap as we're introduced, then line up at one end of the inside of the track in a triangle, and when the head ref does his lap he skates towards the other refs and throws his helmet at us, and we all fall over like bowling pins. They eat it up like crazy.

Another one we've used is the Whoah Bundy, where, after the ref introductions, we all put one hand in the middle of the circle and shout "Whoah Bundy" and throw up the one hand. Fans of late 80's TV love that one.

But we can't think of other fun ones (blah, unoriginality). Any ideas?

The bowling-pin intro is the best I've seen/done so far. Just about anything else except for the standard "every ref skates a lap" intro has felt awkward.
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Rev. Riot on January 19, 2009, 05:40:30 am
We don't do one. We used to. Then we just decided we were sick of it for the most part, since we're not part of the show. So now, when everything's ready, we simply take a knee in the middle of the track (we don't have to skate out, because we've all been doing official duties already on the track, so we're already out there).

I really like not doing one, and hate hate HATE traveling and having to do a ref intro other than having my name read while I'm doing whatever I need to do in the middle.
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: mick hawkins on January 19, 2009, 06:35:05 am
we dont have a ref intro either... i like it that way

at our first game the announcer introduced the teams (as a team not and individual skater doing a lap) then said something like "ARE YOU READY!"

we refs, thinking the announcer was going to say something like "here are the refs", ended up looking at each other saying "we best get on the track then" -- so we just skated to the centre and took our positions

happily, it's been that way ever since

Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Stegoscorus on January 19, 2009, 09:17:53 am
We don't have anything quite that special either.  During skaters' intro laps and the national anthem, we line up along the arc of turns 1 and 2 and get our ref faces on.  After all that, the announcers will just say something like "Your refs tonight are..." and list our names in whatever order they have them.  At that point we walk or skate over to our respective positions.  Some people will wait until their name is called to move, or wave, but others just disperse as soon as the anthem is over. 

I think I would feel really awkward if I had to skate a lap or anything.  I appreciate being recognized as a part of the bout, but any more fanfare than that I would feel weird about. 
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Ballistic Whistle on January 19, 2009, 11:15:21 am
Yeah, we're leaning towards minimising time between crowd being seated and game bing played as well. Our team intros (I believe) are being cut down for our next bout and the refs just skate striaght out to the middle from the side of the track and take a knee.
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: ttjustice on January 19, 2009, 04:25:00 pm
I too prefer no fancy introduction.  With OHRG its usually just a "lets hear it for your ref and stats crew" from the announcer and then we skate into position.  The times I have guest reffed and they announce my name I just smile and wave to the crowd briefly.  I agree with Rev Riot- I am not part of the show and if I can come and go without notice then I have done my job correctly.

I did think if I HAD to skate a lap then I would take 5 or so $1 bills, sign my name to them and throw then into the crowd and give one to each announcer. ;D  Wonder what kind of reaction that would get,lol??
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Darkjester on January 19, 2009, 05:34:30 pm
ROFL thats hilarious.. First time a ref has paid off the announcer/fans :-)

Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: DayGlo Divine on January 19, 2009, 05:53:46 pm
We don't have anything quite that special either.  During skaters' intro laps and the national anthem, we line up along the arc of turns 1 and 2 and get our ref faces on.  After all that, the announcers will just say something like "Your refs tonight are..." and list our names in whatever order they have them.  At that point we walk or skate over to our respective positions.  Some people will wait until their name is called to move, or wave, but others just disperse as soon as the anthem is over. 

I think I would feel really awkward if I had to skate a lap or anything.  I appreciate being recognized as a part of the bout, but any more fanfare than that I would feel weird about. 

I don't necessarily see intros as somehow commanding undue attention. Different leagues have different amounts of focus on the theatrical aspects of bout production, and if they want to do full-blown intros and make everyone part of the show, that's their choice. I personally don't care much about intros either way and am happy to go along with the prevailing spirit of the bout, whatever it is. But if it's done, it should be done right. Establish some actual order for calling us -- league affiliation, position, alphabetical -- and tell us what it is so we're prepared for it. Check to make sure that the official line-up is correct, as those things do tend to change at the last minute. Give us some actual cue that it's time for an intro, instead of "oh crap, I just heard my name." Give the non-skating officials the same attention as the skating refs. Come to some agreement about what's going to be done (individual laps, pace line, skate to the middle, stay put and wave). So on and so on. Anything else feels awkward and detracts from the experience.
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Darkjester on January 19, 2009, 07:02:47 pm
We'd only done a exhibition where I was announced. The first game we skated a lap and I tried to get the fans to "Boo" me to go ahead and get it out of their system, and or let it know, Yeah.. I expect it.

The second we had more refs than 4 so we pretty much just waved when announced. I followed whatever the head ref did.

Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Stegoscorus on January 19, 2009, 09:29:32 pm
I don't necessarily see intros as somehow commanding undue attention. Different leagues have different amounts of focus on the theatrical aspects of bout production, and if they want to do full-blown intros and make everyone part of the show, that's their choice.

Totally.  If ref intros are part of local custom, and the crowd loves it, go for it.  I didn't mean to imply people shouldn't be doing that, just that WCR doesn't really, and I'm comfortable with that.

Lord knows I'm no opponent of hamming it up in general!
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Professor Murder on January 20, 2009, 06:26:29 pm
Some people like them, some people don't.

I'm in the latter category.  I'm fine with being the center of attention, but there are certain places where I know I never should be.  A derby bout is one of those places.

I don't think they should be done at all, and if it's the sort of thing that, if removed, would lead to you questioning why you're in derby, then you're in derby (reffing, at any rate) for the wrong reasons.

But I know I'm on the minority side here.  Then again, I wouldn't throw much of a fit if referees gave up derby names on the whole (though I'm not going to be a killbox-like vanguard on that end), just for full disclosure.
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: DayGlo Divine on January 20, 2009, 08:37:01 pm
Then again, I wouldn't throw much of a fit if referees gave up derby names on the whole (though I'm not going to be a killbox-like vanguard on that end), just for full disclosure.

If you want to go that far, I personally believe that skaters should shed their derby names as well as the outfits and personas, etc. I think that to ever become properly legitimized, roller derby needs uniform uniforms, and actual names, not derby names. Until then, derby remains a show as well as a sport. While I understand that the sport is not popular enough to remove the show aspect from it, the question becomes, if the sport waits too long, do fans resent the sport for removing the show aspect once it become a very established part of the sport?

I completely disagree with the idea that the show has to be stripped away for the sport to stand out, or that it will bring more fans, or that bringing more fans is necessarily a good thing. But that's neither here nor there, because it is not our call to decide what direction the sport as a whole or its individual leagues should take.

Getting back to the original topic, has anyone seen a particularly memorable intro (ref, skater, or whatever) that they'd like to share? My favorite, hands down, was the Night Terrors' intro at Charm City's 2007 home opener. The house lights went off, the black lights went on, everyone skated in reverse direction, and each skater was introduced with a horror-themed couplet. Last season, Charm City moved to a bigger venue -- an arena with Astroturf flooring (which means several hours of floor setup for each bout) and bright-ass heat-lamp lights. It's a pretty sweet setup, but I do miss the ambience of watching a bout in the cozy confines of a roller rink whose interior is hopelessly stuck in the 1970s and the ability to get super-creative like that.
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Stegoscorus on January 20, 2009, 09:19:41 pm
I completely disagree with the idea that the show has to be stripped away for the sport to stand out, or that it will bring more fans, or that bringing more fans is necessarily a good thing. But that's neither here nor there, because it is not our call to decide what direction the sport as a whole or its individual leagues should take.

I know this is off-topic, but I have to completely agree with Dayglo (Master of Karate & Friendship for Everyone) on this point.  The show aspect/campiness/whatever you want to call it already is an established part of our sport.  While certain aspects of that have been left behind, and will continue to be chipped away at, to make the game operate better and become more of an actual sport, I don't think we have to swear it all off to become "legitimate."

There's only so much we can compare derby to other sports.  Women's flat track roller derby is not like any other sport, and that's probably the reason most of us got into it in the first place. 
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Professor Murder on January 21, 2009, 03:20:43 am
Then again, I wouldn't throw much of a fit if referees gave up derby names on the whole (though I'm not going to be a killbox-like vanguard on that end), just for full disclosure.

If you want to go that far, I personally believe that skaters should shed their derby names as well as the outfits and personas, etc. I think that to ever become properly legitimized, roller derby needs uniform uniforms, and actual names, not derby names. Until then, derby remains a show as well as a sport. While I understand that the sport is not popular enough to remove the show aspect from it, the question becomes, if the sport waits too long, do fans resent the sport for removing the show aspect once it become a very established part of the sport?

Not my point.  I don't think refs are part of the show.  Derby is derby, and it's not ATP tennis.  What the skaters want to do is up to the skaters, and something I'm not interested in legislating.  As others pointed out, what skaters do doesn't make it "less sport."  When you have officials wearing clown outfits, thongs over hotpants, or buttplugs on their helmets, it's remarkably easier to superficially write off the seriousness of the officiating of the sport.

A buttplug on your head doesn't mean you're a bad referee.  But what it represents to the crowd, in my opinion, is not something I want to represent.
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Darkjester on January 21, 2009, 04:41:10 am
Being a drummer for a Pipe Band, I was impressed with the (forgive me if I'm wrong) Trampires, coming into the venue with a pipe band wearing zombie make up playing Scotland the Brave and I think Highland Cathedral.

I'm trying to see if my pipe band would play the National Anthem for one of my wife's team home bout.
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: DayGlo Divine on January 21, 2009, 05:45:29 pm
Women's flat track roller derby is not like any other sport, and that's probably the reason most of us got into it in the first place.

Well said.
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Mos Ref on January 22, 2009, 09:09:52 pm
I used to skate out to "I Fought the Law" by the Clash and snear at the crowd and all that jazz. As soon as I started getting a louder response then the skaters, I've toned it down to a wave. I love to hear applause, but I definatley shouldn't get more than the skaters.

Mos Ref
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Darkjester on January 22, 2009, 10:19:48 pm
That or you need to help the ladies find better music ;)
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Poobah on January 24, 2009, 01:49:49 am
I'm in agreement that derby not being like other sports is what draws me and many others to it.

I like being able to dress up like a nutjob for derby bouts. I should check to see if the company that makes my fezes has one with a buttplug on it. This weekend I'm attending and assisting another league's bout. I'll be looking like a Shriner leprechaun from an acid flashback.

All anyone needs to do to discover how serious I am about derby is to start (and then try to escape) a conversation about it with me.

I personally dread the day derby names get replaced with real names. I'll never remember real names.
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: howie~swerve on January 26, 2009, 09:08:39 pm
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My favorite, hands down, was the Night Terrors' intro at Charm City's 2007 home opener. The house lights went off, the black lights went on, everyone skated in reverse direction, and each skater was introduced with a horror-themed couplet.

oooohhh yeah.  From a showmanship standpoint, the second home bout was even better: they all skated out of a giant coffin with a false bottom and threw black roses at the audience.  But it sure did slow down the beginning of the bout...

We used to do ref skate-arounds at Charm City, not sure if they still do?  It culminated in JFM skating around waving two american flags in each hand -- and then full speed into the pack of refs and support staff gathered off-track.  crowd loved it, but it didn't overshadow team intros.

howie~
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: bronco on January 27, 2009, 09:31:22 am
At the Sk808 invitational tournament they introduced the refs right before the typical pre-game roller derby demonstration.  Skaters did the usual demo of pack/jam start, jamming, penalties such as tripping, elbows, back-blocking.  Then it got out of hand when a ref handed out a major for "Lousy Fake Fighting".  But it turned out to be pretty original, because it added a penalty box to the demonstration and the audience learned something.

Anyway, I like ref introductions, and sometimes even bring zebra signs when sitting in the stands.  And I love passionate fans, the kind who yell at me either way.

... Bronco
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Miss Trie on March 13, 2009, 12:17:01 am
I did think if I HAD to skate a lap then I would take 5 or so $1 bills, sign my name to them and throw then into the crowd and give one to each announcer. ;D  Wonder what kind of reaction that would get,lol??

I might have to steal this idea if Nashville makes me skate a lap this Saturday.   :P
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Major Wood on March 13, 2009, 12:29:27 am
We typically do skate a lap.
Title: Re: Ref Intros
Post by: Jessticular Fortitude on March 13, 2009, 06:02:28 am
I did think if I HAD to skate a lap then I would take 5 or so $1 bills, sign my name to them and throw then into the crowd and give one to each announcer. ;D  Wonder what kind of reaction that would get,lol??

I might have to steal this idea if Nashville makes me skate a lap this Saturday.   :P

I'll be at the announcer table  for the game so you better give me money AND a lap dance, little lady.