Zebra Huddleâ„¢

Older Rulesets => 5/26/2010 Rules => General Ref Discussion 5/26/2010 => Topic started by: Ballistic Whistle on January 19, 2009, 11:11:31 am

Title: Assisting (Blocking) out of Bounds
Post by: Ballistic Whistle on January 19, 2009, 11:11:31 am
Am I the only one that feels stupid calling "Blocking out of bounds" when penalising someone for assisting out of bounds?
Title: Re: Assisting (Blocking) out of Bounds
Post by: L8R SK8R on January 19, 2009, 12:33:10 pm
What should it be called?
Title: Re: Assisting (Blocking) out of Bounds
Post by: Riff Reff on January 19, 2009, 12:55:59 pm
isn't that OOP?

6.2.11.1 A Blocker engaging, blocking, or assisting outside the legal Engagement Zone.

Title: Re: Assisting (Blocking) out of Bounds
Post by: Oedipus_Ref on January 19, 2009, 10:40:25 pm
I know it seems trivial, but there is a slight difference between out of play and out of bounds. Assisting is covered in OOB blocking:

6.2.4.7 A skater who is straddling the line may not engage, block, or assist because she has one foot down outside the track boundary and is OOB by definition.

I usually yell:  "Out of Bounds Assist" and just give the signal for OOB block.
Title: Re: Assisting (Blocking) out of Bounds
Post by: Ballistic Whistle on January 22, 2009, 10:13:56 am
I'm trying to simplify the calls our refs make to make it easier for the penalty trackers to update. We just use the penalty categories as they're written in the rules\hand signals doc.

There's been a few instances recently whereby I've called BOOB on a skater who's assisting and it's usually met with a WTF!?
Title: Re: Assisting (Blocking) out of Bounds
Post by: Johnny Zebra on January 22, 2009, 12:47:15 pm
Yeah -- not sure why you'd need to call the action as blocking -- like Oedipus, I just yell "out of bounds assist" or "out of play assist"  along with the appropriate hand signal.

~j.z.
Title: Re: Assisting (Blocking) out of Bounds
Post by: Riff Reff on January 22, 2009, 04:00:39 pm
He calls it blocking, because that is the rule he is referring to. "Assisting" OOB is not mentioned anywhere.
My penalty tracker would think I am crazy making up new penalties...
Title: Re: Assisting (Blocking) out of Bounds
Post by: Johnny Zebra on January 22, 2009, 04:14:50 pm
He calls it blocking, because that is the rule he is referring to. "Assisting" OOB is not mentioned anywhere.
My penalty tracker would think I am crazy making up new penalties...

Ah, I see where you are coming from, and it's weird that the straddle rule language also covers assisting under the Blocking section..

But yes, no need to feel you are making up a new penalty by calling an OOB assist an Out-of-Play penalty

First (as you note): 
Out of Play Penalties: 6.2.11.1 A Blocker engaging, blocking, or assisting outside the legal Engagement Zone.

Second (from the glossary):
Out of Play: A Blocker that is positioned more than 20 feet outside the pack, out-of-bounds, or down is out of play. A Jammer that is out-of-bounds is out of play.

6.2.11.1 has this glossary definition in mind -- nobody wants refs to have to call an assist as a block. There are some vagaries/duplication still in the rules between OOP and OOB, but in this case they allow you to avoid what we all recognize is confusing, and not accurate for the call :)



~j.z.


Title: Re: Assisting (Blocking) out of Bounds
Post by: Riff Reff on January 22, 2009, 04:38:58 pm
now it gets confusing... who said what...

ballistic asked if Assisting OOB = Blocking OOB (6.2.4 Out-of-bounds Blocking) is right...
riff reff would call it OOP because the blocker being OOB is outside the engagement zone and assisting (6.2.11 Out of Play) and 6.2.4 says nothing about assisting...

anyhow... obviously we both wouldn't tell our penalty tracker something like "assisting OOB"  to keep it simple and use only those signals from the offical rules appendix

Title: Re: Assisting (Blocking) out of Bounds
Post by: bronco on January 28, 2009, 09:55:30 pm
Yes, it almost seems like the verbage on the Hand Signals doesn't quite match the rules

I would use the OOB block hand signal to call an out-of-bounds assist, and the chop to call an out-of-play (20') assist.

... Bronco