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Title: NSO manuals
Post by: Gravity Kills on March 03, 2010, 04:34:17 am
So, during our winter break, I got a bit ambitious and wrote up a set of manuals for the different NSO positions.  I'm uploading them to the Files section, "Unofficial Documents."  They aren't WFTDA approved or anything, they're just how we've been doing the job in Roc City.  Grand Poobah was kind enough to read them over and make sure I had my facts straight, and I've started using them to train our new refs and NSOs.  They seem to work well as a reference.

So, if you want a very boring but educational read, check 'em out!

--Gravity Kills
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Brother Grim on March 03, 2010, 09:18:57 am
My HR (Harry Spot'er) and I are currently working on a similar document for our league. We've got a pretty detailed one for now, but every now and then we find a few things that need to be tweaked. I like the format of yours, though, and it's more laid back (ours reads a bit more like the Rules) which I think works when you're trying to explain something like an NSO role. I especially like the little images of each stat sheet. We ended up pasting the whole sheet in, and in hindsight the certainly seems overkill.

Would you mind terribly if we borrowed some of your ideas?
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Gravity Kills on March 03, 2010, 04:17:07 pm
Not a problem!  And thank you! :)
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Major Wood on March 03, 2010, 10:10:44 pm
Thanks for posting these! This was a project that I was going to do for our officials, but it got pushed aside.
I'm going to edit these to customize it for our practices.

I did notice one error in the jam timer document, though.

[rule]When the last blocker's hips pass the starting line, two short blasts of the whistle starts the
jammers in motion[/rule]

The double whistle doesn't necessarily coincide with the last blocker crossing the line. It happens whenever the pack is entirely across the line. Some blockers may still be behind the line.
Either way,  the skates are the determining factor here, not the hips.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Gravity Kills on March 04, 2010, 05:15:10 am
Ack! Nertz!  I'll fix that and repost it.  Thank you! 
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: ttjustice on March 05, 2010, 04:08:52 pm
Thank you very much for sharing these, we too were discussing NSO manuals.  I can see you put alot of work into them and I too would like to use them as the basic format for OHRG's.  The only suggestion I have is in the penalty box timer manual, you might want to quote the best practices document in regard to the process of having skaters stand and releasing them.

"It was agreed that the standard
verbal practice for releasing a
skater from the penalty box is
“COLOR”, “SKATER #”,
“STAND” at 10 seconds, and
“COLOR”, “SKATER #”,
“DONE” at 0 seconds remaining.
The verbal cue should be given so
that “STAND” is said when there
are exactly 10 seconds left and
“DONE” is said when there are
exactly 0 seconds left.
At that point, it is the skater’s
responsibility to enter play legally."

Thanks again and really great work!
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: ali_sin on March 05, 2010, 05:35:27 pm
i joined this group looking for this exact thing!!! Thank you sooo much for putting the hard work into this :)
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Neil's On Wheels on March 05, 2010, 11:22:15 pm
Thanks so much for these!  I've only read a couple, but they are a big help!  Very straightforward and easy to understand.  Thanks for the permission to share these with the head NSO and other officials for Little City Roller Girls, they're going to help a lot!  You have put together some fine manuals here, Gravity Kills. Thanks again.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Auntie Maim on March 19, 2010, 03:45:47 am
Thank you! I used these to supplement training by our head NSO. Excellent job! The scorekeeping manual was a great resource and I'll be referring to it often.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Riff Reff on March 22, 2010, 01:13:22 pm
thanks that's awesome. I translated most of it and added it to my manual. and it made me change our three-board to an actual penalty board... I am eager to see how that works this weekend.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Major Wood on March 22, 2010, 01:14:57 pm
thanks that's awesome. I translated most of it and added it to my manual. and it made me change our three-board to an actual penalty board... I am eager to see how that works this weekend.

I wish everyone would make that change
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Poobah on March 22, 2010, 04:25:49 pm
Speaking of NSOs, we're finally releasing the 4.2 edition of the WFTDA StatsBook. Waiting for Ms. D'fiant to give it her blessing and a few key people to have a look at it. It should be going up on the WFTDA site soon, and will be available on rollerderbystatsgeeks and the WFTDA Stats group.

I'll make sure to upload it here once some more of that has happened. I'd hate to post it now and have someone point out an "awshit" so that version 4.2a is needed.

This SHOULD be the last release till this Summer.

*~[Grand Poobah
WFTDA Stats Revisioning
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: ttjustice on March 22, 2010, 06:46:39 pm
thanks that's awesome. I translated most of it and added it to my manual. and it made me change our three-board to an actual penalty board... I am eager to see how that works this weekend.

I wish everyone would make that change

Dang it, I posted a reply to this a couple hours ago but it didn't show up.  My workplace internet is acting screwy today.  Anyway.... not looking to hijack this thread.

We are also looking to change to a full board this year and when discussing this with one of our certified NSO's she made a very interesting comment.  She said to expect there to be an increase in the number of official time outs to fix penalty problems due to the lag time in getting a full whiteboard updated compared to a hotboard.  She has worked many tournaments, reigonals and I believe Nationals too and said she sees this happen even at the highest levels of play.  Additionally it makes the penalty tracker/ board operators job much more difficult so it will require us to develop a good team of "specialized" NSO's (like the penalty box operator) to keep things running somewhat smoothly.

I think she does make a good point here because it is not a drawback that is readily seen or thought about when looking to switch from hotboard to full boards.  Still, it seems that full boards are becoming the standard so I am sure we will continue to move in that direction.

I am curious if you noticed this happen at your bout Riff- any thoughts?
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Bishop on March 22, 2010, 07:01:28 pm
And to make your whiteboard look all professional and such, consider buying a roll or two of 1/8 or 1/4 inch whiteboard tape (http://www.magneticconcepts.com/whiteboard_tape.htm) to section everything off.  Pinstriping tape looks suspiciously similar to whiteboard tape, so that's an option as well.  

If I have the time, I'll try to post a picture of the whiteboard I made up last year.  
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Riff Reff on March 23, 2010, 03:04:27 pm
we are lucky to have a sponsor who makes billboards, displays, banners etc. and I get a Dibond plate with the chart printed on it.

@ttjustice  I will keep you posted. this time I will have a crowded infield. since I had (for my very first time) more refs than positions I will use one of them as an additional penalty wrangler, plus 2xPTs and Penalty Board. I will see if it's more people - more problems or if an extra set of eyes and ears is helpful...
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Bishop on March 23, 2010, 03:25:50 pm
Here is my ECE 2009 inspired whiteboard.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd292/hertzcra/insidewhiteboard.jpg)

The sheets with the player's numbers and names are printed on 11" x 17" paper.  I have MS Excel set up so that all I have to do is enter the roster information once and it auto-populates everything onto all the ECE-inspired tracking worksheets.  For this particular bout, I didn't have all the roster information ahead of time so had to use a Sharpie to write in the missing names and numbers.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Pat-E-Rat on March 23, 2010, 03:48:50 pm
I should point out, though probably not necessary, how much easier this makes things for NSOs and bench coaches, visibilty-wise.  Thanks for bringing it with you that bout, Bishop!
Title: Inside Whiteboards
Post by: Scorey on March 23, 2010, 07:45:11 pm
The "NSO Manual" thread turned into a discussion about Inside Whiteboards, so I thought I'd break it out into its own thread. We just described ours on rollerderbystatsgeeks, so here it is for those not on that list:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3648/3428456710_4340b33b9e.jpg)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/windycityrollers/3428456710/

The 3' x 4' dry erase board is magnetic, which allows us to preprint nameplates and swap them in and out quickly. The top row holds team name and color, reviews, and timeouts. Subsequent rows hold skater number, skater name, minors, and box trips. We're generally a fan of the single board (as opposed to the hinged double-pane boards used elsewhere) as it doesn't take up as much infield room and is easier to read from both benches.

A couple things we do that have worked well for us:

- Use hashmarks. Some use circles, crosses, or numerals: we've found nothing is as fast and visible as hashmarks.

- When someone picks up her fourth minor, don't wipe the board immediately: inform the Head Ref and then swipe a finger horizontally through the minor hashmarks so you have a physical record. Once you see the skater in question sit, clear the minor box to confirm.

- When someone is called out for a box trip, mark it on the board. Once you see the skater in question sit, swipe a finger horizontally through the box trip hashmark to confirm.

- Ask your Head Ref to start at or near the Inside Whiteboard so you can inform him or her of any blockers on the track with three minors or four box trips.

- For the nameplates, we cut a bunch of 1/4 foamcore and attached business card magnets to the back. Then we printed numbers and names and affixed them to the nameplates with low-tack adhesive so they'd be reuseable:

http://www.dickblick.com/products/krylon-easy-tack-repositionable-spray-adhesive/

- Make sure the lines on your Inside Whiteboard are a different color than the marker you use for your hashmarks. The blue stripes you see in the picture are from a roll of 3/4" painter's tape I cut by hand down to 1/4" (I kid you not), but we've finally found a decent replacement:

https://www.epaintstore.com/1-4-x-60-yd_painters-mate-green-masking-tape.html

- Buy a good stand that allows you to display the board as close as possible to the floor. I know, I know, they're stupid expensive, but it's worth it.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Bishop on March 23, 2010, 08:19:16 pm
Cool - thanks for sharing that Scorey.  I use diagonal hash marks to indicate the minors.  For the "penalty minutes" section, we use copy of what's on the penalty tracking sheets.  The idea was to make it easy on the NSOs by having the sheets match the boards.  In fact, since we currently use two penalty trackers, we just give them dry erase markers [black only!] and they update the boards - no inside whiteboard personnel needed.

I may try to use a penalty wrangler this year in order to get those fourth minors reported ASAP.  However, the current system has worked well for our level of play.  Additionally, the whole NSO thing is out my hands now which, for the moment, frees me up to micromanage other things - like bout production.  ;D  
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: BIRCHIE on March 23, 2010, 08:43:58 pm
As a relatively new league over here in the UK we are in the process of putting together NSO role descriptions so these are a real help - many thanks
Title: Re: Inside Whiteboards
Post by: reflmao on March 23, 2010, 08:48:05 pm
Thanks Scorey, some really good ideas there.

Roc City uses something similar.  This is our board near the end of the season.
(http://chapman.cis.rit.edu/cfl/pub/images/Krz/HomeDoubleHeader20090919/1/3223.jpeg)

That's just a purchased whiteboard with some permanent marker marks on it.

Two differences I want to point out is that we use a separate box for each mark.  This makes the number of marks easier to read at a distance.

We also only use player number on the board because we've found that it's more visible to the benches from the inside and that's enough to distinguish between players.

The frame is falling apart and we are about to build a replacement.  I'm definitely going to some of the ideas from this back to our group.  I like the tape for lines idea, I also really like keeping TOs and Official Reviews up on the team name line.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Gravity Kills on March 25, 2010, 07:36:01 pm
Hey all!  Thank you so much for the feedback on my manuals!  I'm glad they're being useful.  :)

Per your comments, I've revised the Jam Timer manual and the Penalty Box manual.

Jam Timer:  Fixed an error in when to blow the jammer start whistle.
Penalty Box:  Changed stand/release information to reflect WFTDA best practices, added info in the jammer penalty timing rules regarding a "Jammer 1 returns to the box while Jammer 2 is still serving her penalty" situation

Thanks again!!! :)
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: The Gorram Reaver on March 25, 2010, 10:44:01 pm
Ooooohhhh!  All the white board pictures are pretty!

In Madison one thing we've talked about is getting boards that are magnetic, and then printing numbers on (I think) sticker paper.  Apply printed numbers to magnet sheets cut to the proper size - TA-DA!  Printed, easily legible numbers, that can be reused & rearranged as needed.  The kind of thing that makes a paperwork lovers heart tump in anticipation.  And when you add in the excitement of being an office supplies addict...  Well, let's just say it's the kind of project that makes Reavers very happy.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Bishop on March 25, 2010, 10:49:12 pm
What's with Mad Rollin' Dolls referees and office supplies?  :D

I guess I can't poke too much fun seeing as how I was the one with a WFTDA rules binder and fancy sheet protectors.  ;D

Give Maxx my regards.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Gravity Kills on March 26, 2010, 08:09:06 pm
One more revision to the manuals, this time the Lineup Tracker manual. 

--Gravity
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Dave Brawlings on March 28, 2010, 09:05:08 pm
1.) Thanks for these!

2.)

The double whistle doesn't necessarily coincide with the last blocker crossing the line. It happens whenever the pack is entirely across the line. Some blockers may still be behind the line.
Either way,  the skates are the determining factor here, not the hips.

I think the following:

a.) If the "last skater" is part of the pack, then it is that skater's skates (across the line, or not) which determine the time to start the jammers, but if there is a dawdling skater who has not crossed the line, then it is the measurement between the last pack skater and the dawdling skater's hips (is she "in the pack" or not) which determine the time to start the jammers.

b.) In the manual, it says, "If the last blocker dawdles and the pack passes the 20' limit, blow."

I think that should only be 10 feet, because it is not "in play" status that matters for a dawdling skater, it is "in the pack" status.



Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Cliquework on March 29, 2010, 02:47:12 pm
Correct. It does say "pack", so 10 feet, not 20, is the amount of separation before the straggler is no longer a pack member and the whistle can be blown.

However, it also says:
[rule]4.4.2 Once the rear of the pack has reached the Pivot line [/rule]

Reached, not crossed.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Gravity Kills on March 29, 2010, 05:42:43 pm
Ack!  I have the dumb.  Will fix immediately.

EDIT:  Fixed.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Gravity Kills on April 05, 2010, 06:34:13 pm
OK, seems like every time I poke the Jam Timer manual, I goof something up.  Hopefully this is the last revision for a while. 
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Coitus Interruptus Of The Roman Empire on June 01, 2011, 02:24:38 pm
Wow! Thanks for the hard work! I grabbed these as well! This is an amazing contribution to the sport.
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: beertester on July 12, 2011, 05:52:19 pm
thanks for all the hard work you have obviously put into these gravity, if your ever in london i'd love to buy you a beer as a thank you
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: Gravity Kills on July 12, 2011, 06:28:40 pm
:)  Awesome!  Glad they're helping!  There's another revision coming up soon, incorporating all sorts of new bad habits stuff I've learned.  I just need to find the time to sit down and type them all up...

Now, to get to London!  :)
Title: Re: NSO manuals
Post by: MixedUpMayhem on March 13, 2012, 08:51:09 pm
Thank you so much for the materials in here! I am a new head NSO and I keep getting varying information on how different positions are run, and your manuals have simplified me trying to learn the few positions I have never actually done such as Jam Tracker.