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Rules Discussion / Re: Jammer's time in penalty box
« Last post by 3Beers on April 26, 2020, 09:46:33 pm »Thanks.. :-)
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General Ref Discussion / Getting officials attention
« Last post by Rego_Derby on March 03, 2020, 04:05:02 am »My team was debriefing from their most recent bout and asked me what is the best way to get the officials attention regarding what should have been blatant game interference matter. The situation was white team lined up 4 blockers and a jammer for the upcoming jam. Nobody except black team realized white team had a blocker in the penalty box (obviously a pretty catastrophic failure of officiating for it to go unnoticed by the skating officials, penalty box manager, lineup tracker, and penalty wrangler). Shouting and waving didn't get any of the officials attention. So black team was wondering what else they could or should have done to get the officials to stop the jam before any significant advantage was gained by white team and for the interference penalty to be assessed on white team. They wondered should the skaters have all taken a knee to start the jam? Should they have run up to officials interrupting the jam to get them to notice? I didn't know what to tell them so thought I would bring it up here what you would want done.
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Rules Discussion / Re: Jammer's time in penalty box
« Last post by Major Wood on February 05, 2020, 05:52:31 pm »I don't think I agree with that. C4.4.2A is describing a situation that is a little different from what you describe. You are describing a situation with 3 jammer penalties, where C4.4.2A is describing a situation where there are 4 jammer penalties.
The part of the rule that you need is from 4.4.2:
This is still handled the way you described. I find it's easiest to think of jammer penalties as sets:
The part of the rule that you need is from 4.4.2:
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1. The two Jammers serve an equivalent amount of penalty time, per penalty
2. Whenever possible given point 1, there is at least one Jammer who is not serving a penalty
This is still handled the way you described. I find it's easiest to think of jammer penalties as sets:
- White jammer sits for a penalty, beginning set A.
- Black jammer sits for a penalty 25 seconds later, and white jammer is released. This is the second (and last) part of set A.
- White jammer returns and sits for another penalty 10 seconds later, beginning set B.
- Black jammer is still on set A, so is not released, and has 15 seconds remaining where both jammers will be in the penalty box.
- Black jammer is released after 15 seconds, but returns 10 seconds later. This is the second part of set B. White jammer is released, and black jammer has 25 seconds to serve.
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Rules Discussion / Jammer's time in penalty box
« Last post by 3Beers on January 29, 2020, 03:33:20 am »Penalty enforcement 4.4.2 says....whenever possible...there is at least one jammer not serving a penalty.
Casebook C4.4.2A says...too complicated!..too many scenarios!....
It was my understanding ( before the 30 second change) that if a jammer returns to the penalty box, for a second penalty, while the other jammer is still serving a penalty...both serve out their time.
I don't see any clear explanation, as to whether both stay, or one is released.
Comments please.
Casebook C4.4.2A says...too complicated!..too many scenarios!....
It was my understanding ( before the 30 second change) that if a jammer returns to the penalty box, for a second penalty, while the other jammer is still serving a penalty...both serve out their time.
I don't see any clear explanation, as to whether both stay, or one is released.
Comments please.
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Events / Nashville Roller Derby 2020 Scrimmage-A-Thon - 7/11/2020
« Last post by Major Wood on January 27, 2020, 09:36:38 pm »Nashville Roller Derby are hosting their annual Scrimmage-a-thon on July 11th, 2020*. This will be held at The Fairgrounds Nashville in Nashville, TN.
We are seeking officials to staff the 6 scrimmages (each 45 minutes long) and be considered for two games after the scrimmages are over. Lunch and dinner will be provided for officials, with accommodations made for dietary concerns (we won't leave you high and dry if you are vegan, gluten free, etc).
This event is one that has been very successful in getting newer officials lots of feedback. We generally have several high level referees (several with Playoffs and Champs experience) there doing lots of watching and shadowing to give feedback.
This year we are again seeking to increase the number of high level NSOs available for feedback. If you think you may be able to give feedback, please consider coming.
There is no specific application close date, but we will be doing rolling invitations (hopefully every week or so, depending on the number of applications). So you should be able to make plans fairly quickly after you apply.
Apply here
* Yes, the date is correct. This event will be held much later in the year than usual.
We are seeking officials to staff the 6 scrimmages (each 45 minutes long) and be considered for two games after the scrimmages are over. Lunch and dinner will be provided for officials, with accommodations made for dietary concerns (we won't leave you high and dry if you are vegan, gluten free, etc).
This event is one that has been very successful in getting newer officials lots of feedback. We generally have several high level referees (several with Playoffs and Champs experience) there doing lots of watching and shadowing to give feedback.
This year we are again seeking to increase the number of high level NSOs available for feedback. If you think you may be able to give feedback, please consider coming.
There is no specific application close date, but we will be doing rolling invitations (hopefully every week or so, depending on the number of applications). So you should be able to make plans fairly quickly after you apply.
Apply here
* Yes, the date is correct. This event will be held much later in the year than usual.
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Rules Discussion / Re: Rule clarification
« Last post by 3Beers on January 26, 2020, 08:09:00 pm »thanks...:-)
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Rules Discussion / Re: Rule clarification
« Last post by Bluebeard on January 17, 2020, 05:26:46 am »I get into that "argument" around here also. It boils down to "what is the impact that you are penalizing?"
If you are penalizing someone for forcing an opponent out of bounds, or down, during a no pack: that is a loss of position -> Out of play block (no gerunds here).
If the impact you are penalizing is that the pack did not reform quickly enough and this player was not acting to reform the pack -> failure to reform.
Some people try to say that "the blocker was impeding the jammer, so it is a contact penalty" to make the case for out of play block. Impeding is only a penalizable metric for illegal blocking zone penalties (forearms, leg blocks, head blocks).
If you are penalizing someone for forcing an opponent out of bounds, or down, during a no pack: that is a loss of position -> Out of play block (no gerunds here).
If the impact you are penalizing is that the pack did not reform quickly enough and this player was not acting to reform the pack -> failure to reform.
Some people try to say that "the blocker was impeding the jammer, so it is a contact penalty" to make the case for out of play block. Impeding is only a penalizable metric for illegal blocking zone penalties (forearms, leg blocks, head blocks).
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Rules Discussion / Rule clarification
« Last post by 3Beers on December 28, 2019, 06:04:00 pm »In a "no pack" scenario, the front group is expected to disengage contact with the jammer, and return to the pack.
When the blockers fail to do so, I have been calling "Failure to Reform" penalties. My colleagues are insisting that it is "blocking out of play". Which, yes, is an appropriate penalty, if there is impact ( loss of position).
Comments?
When the blockers fail to do so, I have been calling "Failure to Reform" penalties. My colleagues are insisting that it is "blocking out of play". Which, yes, is an appropriate penalty, if there is impact ( loss of position).
Comments?
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General Ref Discussion / Re: Resources for new referees.
« Last post by Destructor on November 29, 2019, 01:13:40 pm »Sorry, i fixed link.
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General Ref Discussion / Resources for new referees.
« Last post by Destructor on November 26, 2019, 06:01:48 pm »Greetings, I wanted to consult with the referee community about a resource I wanted to make to guide the new officers. This is the positioning on the track to control the pack and offside actions. I have seen referees that, sometimes, where the action is (A jammer fought with two blocks, for example) we change the point of view and lose the focus of the pack or important areas to be controlled.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g38clwygrjjhzss/Tips%20Refs%20.pdf?dl=0
I have to fix some details, as in the first two images that the pack is poorly defined, it is an outline to see how it looks and what you think.
I would appreciate some feedback and I appreciate the time you spend. ^^
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g38clwygrjjhzss/Tips%20Refs%20.pdf?dl=0
I have to fix some details, as in the first two images that the pack is poorly defined, it is an outline to see how it looks and what you think.
I would appreciate some feedback and I appreciate the time you spend. ^^
