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JRDA Champs (July 20-22) & World Cup (July 23-24) - Feasterville, PA USA by Axis of Stevil
April 01, 2018, 12:36:15 pm

Re: Clockwise or Stopped Block by llama of death
March 26, 2018, 07:46:29 pm

Re: Clockwise or Stopped Block by Destructor
March 20, 2018, 01:35:35 am

Re: Derby, you so crazy. by ZsaZsa KaPow
February 28, 2018, 12:13:29 am

Re: Derby, you so crazy. by Speedy Convalesce
February 27, 2018, 10:42:56 am

Derby, you so crazy. by ZsaZsa KaPow
February 27, 2018, 01:37:47 am

Re: Is this a Stop Clockwise? by Anton Deck
February 20, 2018, 09:45:28 am

Is this a Stop Clockwise? by Destructor
February 18, 2018, 10:54:22 pm

Re: 4.2.1 Jammer destruction by BigMeanDaddy
February 15, 2018, 02:40:01 pm

Re: 4.2.1 Jammer destruction by BigMeanDaddy
February 15, 2018, 02:36:33 pm

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The JRDA Champs and JRDA World Cup are recruiting officials. These are back-to-back events in Feasterville, Pennsylvania USA (same place as ECDX) on Fri-Sun, July 20-22 and Mon-Tue, July 23-24. Officials can apply for one or both events.

The JRDA Champs will be dual tournaments on two tracks focusing on both JRDA divisions -- female and open. The World Cup will be held on one track. Both Champs and the World Cup JRDA level 3 (full contact) games.

Acceptances will begin in the next couple of days and will continue until we have enough officials.  Junior officials are especially encouraged to apply.

THR: Axis of Stevil
THNSO: ElectroShocker

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfm7JaBkRhYI04nPA98lnzaFGfeLdXtfDyWT2afA35mG5EPUw/viewform
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Rules Discussion / Re: Clockwise or Stopped Block
« Last post by llama of death on March 26, 2018, 07:46:29 pm »
I take the thread to ask a situation: If a jammer self-assists with a teammate who is standing and stopped on the track. Is it "illegal assistance" in new rules set?

That's a whole new can of worms and should probably have its own thread, but here's the short/medium answer(s).

Legal.
It is legal to take a whip off of a stationary teammate, but not for the stationary teammate to initiate a whip to a their moving teammate.
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Rules Discussion / Re: Clockwise or Stopped Block
« Last post by Destructor on March 20, 2018, 01:35:35 am »
I take the thread to ask a situation: If a jammer self-assists with a teammate who is standing and stopped on the track. Is it "illegal assistance" in new rules set?
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You Make The Call... / Re: Derby, you so crazy.
« Last post by ZsaZsa KaPow on February 28, 2018, 12:13:29 am »
It was a hiccup, albeit a big one. The penalty tracking NSOs noticed it and tried to alert the HR. I was the FIPR and just as oblivious as the rest of the refs. Def a learning experience as I still stew about it almost a year later. It was a collective brain fart, which happens, hence needing to understand the aftermath.
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You Make The Call... / Re: Derby, you so crazy.
« Last post by Speedy Convalesce on February 27, 2018, 10:42:56 am »
WFTDA Rule/Clarification:
Scenario C2.2.F
White Pivot is seated in the Penalty Box. Between Jams, three White Blockers–one of whom is wearing a Stripe–line up on the track.

Outcome: If the Jam starts with two White Skaters wearing the Stripe, the Officials should direct the White Blocker on the track to remove their Stripe.

Rationale: The Skater seated in the Box is considered to be the White Pivot for the Jam. As the White team fielded the correct number of Blockers, there is no need to send the “extra” White Pivot back to their bench.

Keep in Mind: If the White Blocker refuses to remove the Stripe, that White Blocker should be penalized. Refusal to obey an instruction about improper gameplay is insubordinate.

Keep in Mind: If the White Blocker engages in any privileges reserved for the Pivot before they have removed the Stripe, even if no warning has yet been issued, that White Blocker should be penalized, as their illegal Stripe had impact on the game.
(emphais mine)
The penalty would be Interference.

As for the Pivot in the box, one could argue that the rationale of C4.3.D applies:

WFTDA Rule/Clarification:
Scenario C4.3.D
The Jam starts and White Jammer quickly earns Lead. Red Jammer immediately pulls off their Star and tries to pass it over their opponents’ heads to Red Pivot, but is unable to do so. Red Jammer stuffs the Star into their jersey so they don’t have to hold it as they work their way through the Pack.

Outcome: Red Jammer has hidden the Star from their opponents, also hiding the fact that they are their team’s Jammer. Red Jammer is penalized.

Rationale: It is unsporting to attempt to hide your role in the Jam.

I would, however, not issue this penalty by default, as it would be two penalties for one impact.
If this happens repeatedly, I can see giving the teams a warning and afterwards issuing a penalty for hiding the Stripe with the intention of fielding a new Pivot, even if the false Pivot has no impact.

Side note: This can not only be spotted by Refs, but also by penalty box NSOs and especially by LTs. Establishing good communication between Refs and NSO can help sorting this before it has impact.
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You Make The Call... / Derby, you so crazy.
« Last post by ZsaZsa KaPow on February 27, 2018, 01:37:47 am »
Last year, in a sanctioned tournament, we had a real doozy.

Pivot from black team is given a penalty and reports to box, jam ends.
Next line up comes, black fields a new pivot.
No refs notice.
Upon seeing this, original black pivot in the box stashes the stripe in her shirt.
OF COURSE, there is a star pass. Jam ends when white jammer calls it, chaos ensues.

I couldn't quite follow what the HR decided, we had to get the game going so I stood back and watched the benches. But it plagues me, endlessly. I HR ALOT so this may happen again. What penalties would you assign? After some study, I decided an interference to the original pivot in the box. I'm wavering on a penalty to the non-pivot that received the pass, definite warning to the bench.
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General Ref Discussion / Re: Is this a Stop Clockwise?
« Last post by Anton Deck on February 20, 2018, 09:45:28 am »
Ive seen this posted in a number of places and the almost universal repsonse is no call.

Although there is a breif pause in the skates moving (and this action is slowed down in the video) just prior to the final block being executed that isnt consistent with what gets penalised as a stop block in general gameplay. There used to be a specific listed exemption for moementrairy pauses in movement, and whilst this hasnt been explicitly carried over into the newer rulesets as a casebook there been no indication of an intended change by omission and I have seen no change in how stop blocks have been called.
The "stop" relaly is fraction when viewed at real time. There is the potential for this type of action to be a stop block, but this isnt one that would normally get penalised. It could be argued as tehcnically correct, but it seems most agree that this wouldnt be consistent or how the sort of action that is intended to be penalised by the stop block rules.

In regard to the impact spectrum ... a significant change in trajectory or knocking the recipient severly off balance is sufficient to penalise if this were deemed to be a stop block. It appears to me that both happens in this example.

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General Ref Discussion / Is this a Stop Clockwise?
« Last post by Destructor on February 18, 2018, 10:54:22 pm »
I saw this video: https://streamable.com/s/jiko1/majltz

I think it's a good technique, but the execution that is seen in this video for me is to "Stop Clockwise" when the blocker stops on the two toes and throws out of bounds the other player.

Is the appreciation correct or very strict?

If the blue skater not exit, NI / NP?
If the black blocker continue moving in counterclockwise and push out the blue skater, legal?
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Rules Discussion / Re: 4.2.1 Jammer destruction
« Last post by BigMeanDaddy on February 15, 2018, 02:40:01 pm »
Disregard. After rereading 4.2.1, I'm clear on this.

WFTDA Rule/Clarification:
Since all Blockers are unable to block when a Pack cannot be defined, if a Skater’s illegal action destroys the Pack, or if a Skater’s actions prevent or delay the reformation of a Pack, that Skater should be penalized.
(Emphasis mine)

 I'd just never considered how it would apply to jammers. TMYK - thanks!

edit: man, i should read the whole thread before replying. *pours moar coffee*
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Rules Discussion / Re: 4.2.1 Jammer destruction
« Last post by BigMeanDaddy on February 15, 2018, 02:36:33 pm »
Scenario C4.2.1.D expressly addresses this situation - skating backwards which prevents the last remaining blocker from returning in bounds is illegal and penalizable.  The strategy is utterly irrelevant here - the fact of the matter is that this is illegal, and expressly indicated as such.

Rare or not, I have seen this penalty issued.

Just to help wrap my head around this, is the rational here that this part of C4.2.1.D about the White Pivot and/or Blocker would apply to the jammer, too?

WFTDA Rule/Clarification:
Keep in Mind: If White Pivot or White Blocker had not skated forward, one or both of them would have been penalized instead of Red Pivot for preventing a Pack from reforming by forcing the only Opposing Blocker to remain out of bounds.
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