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Events / October 27th Savannah, Georgia- Blocktoberfest Junior Scrimmage Refs needed
« Last post by TerryT on October 19, 2018, 01:46:12 am »
Hi all,
The Savannah Junior Derby Taunts and Savannah Sirens will hold a junior scrimmage at this year's Blocktoberfest hosted by the Savannah Derby Devils. We really need some refs to help us with our scrimmage. It will be a mixed- level junior scrimmage. It starts at 12 noon. October 27th, 2018 @ the National Guard Armory in Savannah. We will provide a gift basket to each ref as a token of our appreciation and also offer a gas card to any ref that travels from outside of Savannah.  You can contact me here or at or IM me on the Derby Taunts FB page
Thanks in advance,
Terry Thomas, ILC
Savannah Junior Derby Taunts
Events / Low Down Throw Down 2019 - May 3-5 - Augusta, GA
« Last post by Damn Yankee on October 15, 2018, 10:33:04 pm »
Greetings!  Low Down Throw Down 2019 will be May 3-5 in Augusta, GA!  16 games, with an 8 team Sanctioned bracket.

Application is now open for ALL positions, including Tournament Heads and SAFETY DIRECTOR!  Deadline for TH positions is December 1st.   TH positions include a comp room!

Please email if you have any questions!
Rules Discussion / Re: Directional While Straddling
« Last post by Vanilla VICE on October 03, 2018, 03:14:54 pm »
I agree a straddling skater doesn't have a position to lose. They lost it the momment they went straddling, and cannot lose it from contact initiated to them after becoming straddling.
Rules Discussion / Re: Directional While Straddling
« Last post by Garrotin Keillor on September 22, 2018, 06:03:12 am »
I'd assume it'd be a direction penalty on the IB skater - skaters can initiate blocks with straddling players, but those initiated blocks are subject to the normal standards.

If the block is legal (not stopped, not clockwise, etc.), then the straddling player just needs to figure out how to deal with it like any other skater a legal block is initiated on.

The straddling skater is technically considered out of bounds, so I don't believe they have position to lose.
Rules Discussion / Directional While Straddling
« Last post by HELLvis on September 15, 2018, 11:52:16 pm »
Does directional contact from an IB player that keeps a straddling playing from fully reentering in bounds count as loss of position?
Gear / Re: Ref and NSO shirts for sale
« Last post by Renzi06 on September 11, 2018, 10:48:43 am »
Wow, so good to know about these shirts for sale. Do you still have such deals for 2018? I would love to buy that. Along with casual shirts, I would like to invest in the fitness apparels too as I am going to join the gym form this week. Do you sell Alo Yoga workout clothing?
General Ref Discussion / Re: "Unofficial" Referee Code of Conduct
« Last post by Garrotin Keillor on September 10, 2018, 05:11:19 am »
I honestly think the only inappropriateness is questioning/hindering this.

If an outside ref is asked to and does review the officiating after a bout/tournament, the only outcomes I could see are a disgruntled coach, if everything's on the up-and-up, or an avenue to more accurate reffing in the future, if there was indeed gross error.  Since the coach is already miffed it's a no-lose scenario, if one really cares for the sport.

And who better than another ref to maybe explain to the coach that, okay, in hindsight or from the bench, that was the wrong call, but taking into account the angle of view from the ref lane and how fast the calls need to be made it's completely understandable why the call was made.

I do get the feeling that this action was not presented to you in the best manner, and I'm sorry you had to go through that.  Your work is being questioned and that never feels good.

...but to be honest, that's what we do to skaters.  We second-guess their actions.  They may think something they did was legal, we see it - from a different angle - and we call it illegal. And our word goes and they have to go to the box or risk insubordination.  It's the same thing - you're seeing things one way, and the coach is seeing things another.  You're actually in the role we place most skaters in many times, and you should be able to handle it with the same level grace we ask of skaters.  You can make a face in the box, but don't stand on the track and argue.
General Ref Discussion / Re: "Unofficial" Referee Code of Conduct
« Last post by HELLvis on September 07, 2018, 06:25:47 pm »
The coach has since quit so we don't have to worry about her anymore but I guess my question was more about the appropriateness of the referee putting his two cents in.  Have you heard of someone doing this before? And if that happened to you how would you handle it?
General Ref Discussion / Re: "Unofficial" Referee Code of Conduct
« Last post by Axis of Stevil on September 06, 2018, 07:30:56 pm »
If a coach at my league pulled that I'd respond by asking an outside coach to watch the team and making a list of flaws with their team's strategy.  Admitted,  I come from an area densely populated with leagues, but my local officials have a "we're not going to take that shit" attitude.  We're always open to constructive feedback.  We are not open to pissy coaches pursuing personal vendettas against us.

"Blame the refs" is a defense strategy for coaches as old as there have been organized sports, and it's not going away anytime soon.  So in that manner, the coach is likely to pull stunts like this again and again.  Channeling his behavior in a more construction fashion is key to addressing it.  League leadership might be able to help with that -- if he's running his mouth with the officials, he's likely doing it with others as well.  It might help if you point out that another incident or two like this from the coach and the league will no longer have officials willing to work his games.

All this being said, there might be something to what he says.  It may be well worth asking an outsider of your own -- an official with a good eye and a strong mastery of rules and procedure -- to watch the game and provide you their own list of feedback.  I suspect you and your crew would be the first to admit there's room for improvement; the coach is just being a douchebag as they point this out.

TL;DR -- Coach is being a douchebag. Come up with a proactive plan for both curbing their behavior, and improving as an officiating crew.
General Ref Discussion / "Unofficial" Referee Code of Conduct
« Last post by HELLvis on September 06, 2018, 05:06:33 pm »
So we had a  bit of an issue with our intraleague championship game this past June and it's still lingering. The losing team accused us officials of bias and incompetence. I watched the footage and am more than satisfied with the job we did. However, the team's coach went so far as to ask an outside referee who is supposedly more experienced than we are to review the footage.  The coach then told us that that referee claimed the game was indeed officiated poorly for a number of reasons that weren't specified. The coach then used this against us and it's causing problems in our league.

My first question:
How appropriate is this for a referee to do this?

Second question is more general:
What do you think are the appropriate ways for teams to communicate dissatisfaction with the officiating outside the game? I certainly think we should be open to feedback, but is there a line that can be crossed there?

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