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Re: Yielding to the opposite side of the track by Bluebeard
April 22, 2019, 07:21:28 pm

Yielding to the opposite side of the track by MyBabyDaddy
April 21, 2019, 03:22:45 am

Re: Clamping down with the upper arm by Vanilla VICE
April 14, 2019, 07:46:55 pm

Clamping down with the upper arm by rogrant
April 08, 2019, 09:25:34 pm

Re: 5 blocker points by bmd (2113)
March 21, 2019, 05:58:08 pm

5 blocker points by Hagar
March 16, 2019, 10:06:32 am

Ohio Roller Derby Home Season by Stray Taco
January 04, 2019, 10:12:22 pm

Cincinnati Rollergirls 2019 Home Season by bmd (2113)
December 11, 2018, 05:06:50 pm

Re: 4.1.1 Intiator of Illegal Target Zone by AdamSmasher
November 15, 2018, 01:32:07 pm

Re: Intentionally not reporting to the penalty box and return to the track by AdamSmasher
November 15, 2018, 01:23:11 pm

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Rules Discussion / Re: Yielding to the opposite side of the track
« Last post by Bluebeard on April 22, 2019, 07:21:28 pm »
The clarification you are thinking of was from before there was such a thing as ceding a cut. It referenced an incident where at the beginning of a jam one jammer knocked the other jammer OOB to the outside and started skating clockwise for a runback.  The OOB jammer crawled across the track to the inside to avoid skating the much longer distance on the outside of the track.  Rules clarified that under that ruleset that action should be a penalty (I believe it was Skating Out Of Bounds).

The action you describe, I do not see a penalty there.

For the variation where a skater gets knocked to the outside, re-enters, then exits to the inside to cede;  it depends on context.

Context 1: Rookie scrimmage to get people fresh out of boot camp some game experience. The skating skills are probably such that it is quicker and easier for them to exit to the inside than to stop, turn around, and exit to the outside.  In that case I do not see a penalty to issue there either.

Context 2a:  Sanctioned game with post season ramifications. Those skaters I expect to have the skating skills to stop, turn around, and cede properly.  If the skater did not realize they stepped out, and as soon as their teammate told them, they exited the closest way.  Maybe not a penalty, but maybe depending on how long they were in bounds before exiting.

Context 2b: Same as 2a except they are trying to skirt the rules and unfairly shorten the distance they have to skate to re-enter legally, like the example in that now defunct clarification.  This one is probably a penalty.


The current ruleset format gives us some leeway to consider if the skater is trying to play legally and make things right. Or, are they trying to gain an unfair advantage when deciding whether or not to penalize.
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Rules Discussion / Yielding to the opposite side of the track
« Last post by MyBabyDaddy on April 21, 2019, 03:22:45 am »
Scenario:
White jammer is knocked OOB by Red blocker on the inside apex. White jammer is moving at such a speed that her momentum takes her across the track to the outside, OOB. Since she is already OOB, she stays on the outside of the track and yields the cut, making sure she enters the track legally without gaining position.
Cut penalty?

I remember this being a clarification at some point. I am not sure if it was an official one, or just a tournament level one that became SOP. But, I can't find it in the current rule book or casebook. Any clues?

Cheers.
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Rules Discussion / Re: Clamping down with the upper arm
« Last post by Vanilla VICE on April 14, 2019, 07:46:55 pm »
Just doing it may not warrant a penalty, but doing it and then some amount of time later if you see it is impeding the Jammer's progress, then a Forearm penalty should go to the blocker. Officials should be certain that the clamp is happening, and not just some product of a jammer sticking their arm there on purpose.

Unrelated: Elbows were removed as a verbal cue and penalty code.
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Rules Discussion / Clamping down with the upper arm
« Last post by rogrant on April 08, 2019, 09:25:34 pm »
Here is the scenario:

Jammer is trying to drive through the middle of a tripod (flying-V, triangle, etc.).  The jammer then sticks their arm into the space between the two booty blockers.  One of the blockers clamps down on the jammer's arm with their upper arm preventing the jammer from being able to pull out of the wall.  Would this clamping down on the jammer's arm by the blocker be a penalty? It isn't a forearm or elbow penalty.  If it is a penalty is it misconduct?

Thank you!
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Rules Discussion / Re: 5 blocker points
« Last post by bmd (2113) on March 21, 2019, 05:58:08 pm »
I don't think so, because of the Rationale in C3.1.A

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Rationale: As a result of the successful Star Pass, the White Jammer and White Pivot exchange status in terms of scoring and being scored upon. Since the Red Jammer had already scored on the original White Pivot before the Star Pass, they have the point for the White Blocker (originally the White Jammer) in this trip and cannot score it again.

emphasis mine.
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Rules Discussion / 5 blocker points
« Last post by Hagar on March 16, 2019, 10:06:32 am »
With the demise of jammer lap points it seems 4 points per scoring pass is the max.

I want to confirm my thinking on a scenario

Black jammer passes all blockers including pivot but then gets recycled.

White jammer passes star to blocker
Black jammer then passes the ex white jammer and skated off completing the scoring pass.

My thought is that although the black jammer passed 5 blockers the ex white jammer is on a different lap so no points accrue for passing them.

Thoughts?
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Events / Ohio Roller Derby Home Season
« Last post by Stray Taco on January 04, 2019, 10:12:22 pm »
Ohio Roller Derby needs refs and NSOs for our upcoming home season. We do offer a travel stipend for our visiting officials. Sign up here! https://goo.gl/forms/5xxoTi21c2dHcp2J3

Game dates:
Mar 23 - Home Opener vs. Toronto
April 6 - vs. Roc City
May 11 - vs. Gem City
June 8 - vs. Brandywine
June 29 - vs. Classic City
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Events / Cincinnati Rollergirls 2019 Home Season
« Last post by bmd (2113) on December 11, 2018, 05:06:50 pm »
Cincinnati Rollergirls have announced their home season, and the Officials Union Local 513 have created this handy form for you to let us know of your interest to officiate with us!

This year's games are:
  • Sat, 3/23 Black Sheep v Brandywine Roller Derby (Sanctioned) / Violent Lambs v Brandywine (Regulation) Fan Appreciation Night!
  • Sat, 4/6 Black Sheep v Steel City Roller Derby (Sanctioned) / Violent Lambs v Steel City (Regulation) Superhero Night!
  • Sat, 4/27 Black Sheep v Charm City Roller Girls (Sanctioned) / Violent Lambs v Charm City (Regulation) Star Wars Night!
  • Sat, 5/11  Black Sheep v Oklahoma Victory Dolls Roller Derby (Sanctioned) / Violent Lambs v Burning River Roller Derby (Regulation)  Pride Night! (With the potential for a Closed Hangover game the next morning.)

We typically provide legendary baked goods and a (albeit, modest) travel stipend. All Officials are invited to attend the league hosted after-party - with pizza!

If you would like to be contacted about officiating any of these games, please complete this form. We look forward to hearing from you!

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdbiMy8sGqy-DonmcXBAjupDbB8oBR4Xn5vPRzRfyKeWw6P9Q/viewform
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Rules Discussion / Re: 4.1.1 Intiator of Illegal Target Zone
« Last post by AdamSmasher on November 15, 2018, 01:32:07 pm »
I think you may be overthinking this a little bit.  Blockers are allowed to position themselves however they like on the track, as long as they aren't linked.  Turning one shoulder away from an opponent turns the other shoulder toward them, after all.

Initiation is a separate question from positioning.  Initiation just asks "who made the last move which caused this contact to happen the way it did?"

If a jammer is coming in at high speed and the blocker suddenly jumps in front of them such that the jammer couldn't change course, the answer to that is "the blocker."

On the other hand, if a jammer who *could* have changed trajectory *doesn't*, then the answer is "the jammer."

And it is definitely possible for there to be two initiators for a contact, if both people move simultaneously in a way that determines the final situation.
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Here's the sequence, if I have this right:

1. White pivot gets a penalty, and leaves the track.
2. White pivot returns to the track without being told to do so and resumes playing derby.
 - At this point, they are affecting game play after having been penalized.  This *definitely* warrants a second penalty per C5.4.C.  This would be a Misconduct penalty, probably an insubordination.
 - If they refuse to leave the track for the second penalty and continue to affect gameplay, the jam should be called, and they should *also* be issued an Interference penalty as a third penalty for causing a clock stoppage.

.. but continuing with what really happened:

3. White jammer passes the star to white pivot.
 - Since this is a star pass to an illegal recipient, under the rules in effect as of November, 2018, this is a Star Pass Violation (Illegal Procedure) penalty to the jammer. No star pass has occurred - the jammer is the jammer, and the pivot is the pivot, and both should be heading to the box as their original positions.

As far as expulsions go, I think this would have to be situational - did the white pivot appear confused?  Were they obviously flaunting the officials' instructions? This is one of those situations where we do need to look at intent before removing someone from the game.  If the pivot said "F*** you, refs," and returned to play, that's massively unsporting.  If the pivot is, on the other hand, 12 years old, playing in their first game, and completely confused, I wouldn't even remotely consider expelling them.
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