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Re: Ceding Position by Garrotin Keillor
August 11, 2018, 02:15:36 am

Re: Star Pass Complete ? by AdamSmasher
August 08, 2018, 03:31:24 am

Re: Star Pass Complete ? by Robert 5 to 3
August 08, 2018, 01:09:44 am

Re: Star Pass Complete ? by AdamSmasher
August 07, 2018, 12:16:19 pm

Star Pass Complete ? by Robert 5 to 3
August 07, 2018, 12:00:13 am

Re: Ceding Position by nueces
August 02, 2018, 08:05:00 pm

Re: Jammer False Start verbal cue by Robert 5 to 3
July 31, 2018, 12:33:55 am

Re: Jammer False Start verbal cue by Speedy Convalesce
July 30, 2018, 10:22:46 am

Jammer False Start verbal cue by Robert 5 to 3
July 30, 2018, 03:26:54 am

Re: Failure to Reform by AdamSmasher
July 17, 2018, 03:51:00 am

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Rules Discussion / Re: Ceding Position
« Last post by Garrotin Keillor on August 11, 2018, 02:15:36 am »
I think your diagram does a very good job of showing how it would take less effort for the jammer to get behind the pivot going in from the outside than the inside, however I don't think the diagram matches your description of the action - the jammer being hit across the apex all the way to the outside line.

I believe the following diagram is more accurate to your description and shows the jammer would actually have a longer distance getting behind the pivot going to the outside than skating to the inside - she gains no advantage.

I could see how your diagram could work, if the pivot skated forward, but there would be no need for the pivot to do that and at that point they are giving the jammer the advantage.

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General Ref Discussion / Re: Star Pass Complete ?
« Last post by AdamSmasher on August 08, 2018, 03:31:24 am »
Thanks AdamSmasher.

So if a Pivot legally receives a the Star helmet cover, has not yet put it on and receives a penalty... They will need to serve the penalty as a Jammer...

Correct.  As soon as the Jammer releases the star into the Pivot's grasp (all other things being legal), the jammer status has transferred.
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General Ref Discussion / Re: Star Pass Complete ?
« Last post by Robert 5 to 3 on August 08, 2018, 01:09:44 am »
Thanks AdamSmasher.

So if a Pivot legally receives a the Star helmet cover, has not yet put it on and receives a penalty... They will need to serve the penalty as a Jammer...
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General Ref Discussion / Re: Star Pass Complete ?
« Last post by AdamSmasher on August 07, 2018, 12:16:19 pm »
WFTDA Rule/Clarification:
2.2.4

...Upon releasing the Star into the Pivot’s grasp, the position of Jammer is passed. The new Jammer takes over for the old Jammer in terms of points scored, trips through the pack, and Skaters passed.

You may have just perceived the signal being given longer or later, but the moment of the transfer of position is when the jammer lets go of the star.  This assumes that the pass is fully legal, i.e., that the jammer and the pivot are both upright, in bounds, in play, not in queue, and not currently penalized.
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General Ref Discussion / Star Pass Complete ?
« Last post by Robert 5 to 3 on August 07, 2018, 12:00:13 am »
Hi Zebra friends!

I witness a few star passes over the weekends bouts in my home town and saw two different timings on when the Jammer Referees would indicate a star pass is complete (using the hand signal).

1 - As soon as the star cover has been legally handed to the Pivot
2 - As soon as the Pivot has placed the star helmet cover over the Pivot cover...

Which is the at the point of completed star pass? During the change over, if a penalty is given, who would they serve it as?
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Rules Discussion / Re: Ceding Position
« Last post by nueces on August 02, 2018, 08:05:00 pm »
I think a safety issue could also be brought up that crawling back to the inside of the track would be a tripping hazard for other skaters. If the most expeditious way to exit the track was outside then totally legit.

First thanks for the answers.

To ced the cut  the player is not obligated to crawl, so I think that if she choose to do it it's also responsible for the safety of their action.

In this image,  we can see that going to the external line the white jammer is going to get a more easy path to cede their position and also not being directly behind of any red blocker. So based on that is that i think that it not fair. Having said that, I understand that it can be legal.



Cheers
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General Ref Discussion / Re: Jammer False Start verbal cue
« Last post by Robert 5 to 3 on July 31, 2018, 12:33:55 am »
Perfect. Thank you Speedy Convalesce.
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General Ref Discussion / Re: Jammer False Start verbal cue
« Last post by Speedy Convalesce on July 30, 2018, 10:22:46 am »
WFTDA Rule/Clarification:
Scenario C2.2.1.B

Before the Jam-Starting Whistle, Red Jammer skates backward. They come to a quick stop and shoot forward at the Jam-Starting Whistle.

Outcome: If Red Jammer was moving clockwise or stopped when the whistle occurred, nothing should be done. If Red Jammer turned counterclockwise earlier and was gaining speed, this should be treated as a false start.

Rationale: Jammers may not be gaining speed counterclockwise at the Jam-Starting Whistle.

So not a penalty but a warning (if they accelerate *at* the whistle - if they accelerate before the whistle and coast at the whistle that is legal). And as the scenario indicates, the verbal cue "False Start" (without hand Signal - see cues codes and signals document) is suitable for the situation.
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General Ref Discussion / Jammer False Start verbal cue
« Last post by Robert 5 to 3 on July 30, 2018, 03:26:54 am »
Zebra Friends!

Quick question... (Ref:2.2.1)

I.e: Jammer builds up momentum in bounds, counterclockwise direction before the jam whistle goes.
From my understanding, this is a penalty. Which new verbal (and hand single) would we use.

Thanks in advance!

5 to 3
 
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Rules Discussion / Re: Failure to Reform
« Last post by AdamSmasher on July 17, 2018, 03:51:00 am »
Always keep in mind that slowing or stopping is an action, and forcing clockwise skating could set a hazardous precedent.

If a group is going at a moderate pace and red team is in back and white team is in front, and there's a no pack called, as red speeds up and white slows, the pack will quickly reform.  I've never seen a no pack last more than a few seconds.

I certainly have.  We wouldn't have "failure to reform" at all if this weren't a possibility.



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