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General Ref Discussion / Re: Resources for new referees.
« Last post by Destructor on November 29, 2019, 01:13:40 pm »Sorry, i fixed link.
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General Ref Discussion / Resources for new referees.
« Last post by Destructor on November 26, 2019, 06:01:48 pm »Greetings, I wanted to consult with the referee community about a resource I wanted to make to guide the new officers. This is the positioning on the track to control the pack and offside actions. I have seen referees that, sometimes, where the action is (A jammer fought with two blocks, for example) we change the point of view and lose the focus of the pack or important areas to be controlled.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g38clwygrjjhzss/Tips%20Refs%20.pdf?dl=0
I have to fix some details, as in the first two images that the pack is poorly defined, it is an outline to see how it looks and what you think.
I would appreciate some feedback and I appreciate the time you spend. ^^
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g38clwygrjjhzss/Tips%20Refs%20.pdf?dl=0
I have to fix some details, as in the first two images that the pack is poorly defined, it is an outline to see how it looks and what you think.
I would appreciate some feedback and I appreciate the time you spend. ^^
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Rules Discussion / Jammer Passing Inactive Jammers
« Last post by hellvis on November 14, 2019, 03:37:30 am »So let's say Jammer A passes Jammer B. Then Jammer B reaches over Jammer A and passes the star to pivot who puts it on. Jammer A then passes the new jammer. How is this scored? Jammer A didn't get the point of the initial pass of Jammer because lap points are done away with. And then the Jammer A doesn't get the point on the pivot turned Jammer and then a full pass would only count as three points?
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Rules Discussion / Re: JAMMER HELMET COVER
« Last post by Stray Taco on October 03, 2019, 12:54:03 pm »No. If the Jammer starts the jam in the penalty box and dons the cover prior to making all the passes they need to earn Lead Jammer, they should be awarded lead.
I'm basing this on Scenario C2.2.2.A:
This scenario is similar: since they didn't have the ability to gain Lead until they were out of the Penalty Box AND wearing the cover with the Star visible, they didn't lose that ability, so they're still eligible to gain the ability and then earn Lead.
I'm basing this on Scenario C2.2.2.A:
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Red Jammer starts the Jam with their helmet cover inside-out. The stars are not visible with high contrast. They remove the cover, invert it, and put it back on their helmet. They then legally pass all Skaters, including the foremost Blocker.
Outcome: Red Jammer is declared Lead.
Rationale: Since Red Jammer did not have the ability to gain Lead prior to removing the Star from their head, they did not lose that ability.
Keep in Mind: If Red Jammer had removed the Star when the stars were visible, they would have lost the ability to gain Lead.
This scenario is similar: since they didn't have the ability to gain Lead until they were out of the Penalty Box AND wearing the cover with the Star visible, they didn't lose that ability, so they're still eligible to gain the ability and then earn Lead.
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Events / Clover Cup 2020 - March 20-22 - North Richland Hills, TX USA
« Last post by SodOff on September 28, 2019, 10:09:13 am »The official’s application for Clover Cup 2020 is now open! Follow this link to apply: https://tinyurl.com/y5mamfxr
Hosted by the Dallas Derby Devils, Clover Cup will be 3 full days (March 20-22, 2020) at the NYTEX Sports Centre in North Richland Hills, Texas.
This year's tournament will be bigger and more exciting than ever! We plan to have TWO TRACKS, featuring WFTDA, MRDA, and JRDA games. We will also have multiple formats such as bracketed and round-robin games.
Clover Cup was a WFTDA Recognized Tournament in 2019 and we will be applying for Recognized status in 2020. This is a great tournament to prepare for applying for post-season play!
Tournament Head Referee(s):
The application deadline for priority consideration (including crew head positions) is November 15. While we will accept applications until December 20th, applications received on or before November 15th will have priority.
Please join us for Clover Cup 2020!
Hosted by the Dallas Derby Devils, Clover Cup will be 3 full days (March 20-22, 2020) at the NYTEX Sports Centre in North Richland Hills, Texas.
This year's tournament will be bigger and more exciting than ever! We plan to have TWO TRACKS, featuring WFTDA, MRDA, and JRDA games. We will also have multiple formats such as bracketed and round-robin games.
Clover Cup was a WFTDA Recognized Tournament in 2019 and we will be applying for Recognized status in 2020. This is a great tournament to prepare for applying for post-season play!
Tournament Head Referee(s):
- Dr Math
- Shanksy
- Matante
- Sod Off
- Rabid Derby Fan
- Queen Loseyateefa
- Ice Queen
The application deadline for priority consideration (including crew head positions) is November 15. While we will accept applications until December 20th, applications received on or before November 15th will have priority.
Please join us for Clover Cup 2020!
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Rules Discussion / JAMMER HELMET COVER
« Last post by 3Beers on September 22, 2019, 12:35:26 pm »Rules state: "...Jammer must pass the foremost in-play blocker legally, in bounds, and upright, while wearing the Jammer cover with the stars visible...."
If starting the jam in the penalty box, does the player have to be wearing the helmet cover?
If starting the jam in the penalty box, does the player have to be wearing the helmet cover?
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Rules Discussion / Re: "Pincer" blocks = multipayer?
« Last post by Bluebeard on July 11, 2019, 06:30:49 pm »That is correct. A multiplayer block penalty requires two teammates to have a link or grasp between them and an opponent to attempt to pass between those two players and be impeded. The opponent does not need to directly challenge the link,or grasp, itself.
From OP it is not completely clear if there is link or grasp going on. If there is, issue the penalty. If there is not a link or grasp going on, there is not a multiplayer block penalty to issue.
From OP it is not completely clear if there is link or grasp going on. If there is, issue the penalty. If there is not a link or grasp going on, there is not a multiplayer block penalty to issue.
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Rules Discussion / "Pincer" blocks = multipayer?
« Last post by Rego_Derby on July 11, 2019, 01:08:36 am »Two White blockers are facing each other in the middle of the track and the arms pointing in the counterclockwise direction are bracing each other's shoulders. The blockers have formed a triangle with their braced arms away from any incoming skater and their bodies making up the other two sides creating a kind of pincer or something that resembles a binder clip. A jammer skates in and challenges the seam made by their shoulders facing the clockwise direction. I had one ref suggest this constitutes a multiplayer despite the fact that the brace or link itself isn't being challenged because without the brace/link the jammer should be able to more easily shove one of the skaters out of the way to create a gap. Is this correct?
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Rules Discussion / Re: Jammer Scoring Theory
« Last post by Major Wood on June 26, 2019, 09:59:33 pm »They aren't denied points. They can make the decision to just continue on and not get that point, or drop back and re-attempt to legally pass.
I don't recall specifically what the reasons were for making it the way it is, but the alternatives would be to either:
The first provides a disincentive for blockers to go for big blocks anywhere near the line, leading to (likely) less exciting gameplay.
The latter is something that used to be the case, and was called "one shot scoring". It was overwhelmingly voted out. That was before my time, but I suspect the reasoning was that it made things much harder for jammers, and was arguably more difficult to keep track of as a jammer referee.
In any case, the way things are now is less punitive and allows jammers to make a choice based on what they think will give them better results. Maybe it's dropping back to get that one blocker point. Maybe it's moving forward to start a new scoring pass and potentially another 4 points.
I don't recall specifically what the reasons were for making it the way it is, but the alternatives would be to either:
- earn the point if the jammer passes while both are out of bounds
- jammer only gets one attempt to score on any opposing blocker
The first provides a disincentive for blockers to go for big blocks anywhere near the line, leading to (likely) less exciting gameplay.
The latter is something that used to be the case, and was called "one shot scoring". It was overwhelmingly voted out. That was before my time, but I suspect the reasoning was that it made things much harder for jammers, and was arguably more difficult to keep track of as a jammer referee.
In any case, the way things are now is less punitive and allows jammers to make a choice based on what they think will give them better results. Maybe it's dropping back to get that one blocker point. Maybe it's moving forward to start a new scoring pass and potentially another 4 points.
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Rules Discussion / Jammer Scoring Theory
« Last post by Rego_Derby on June 25, 2019, 04:30:03 am »While at a tourney last weekend I was trying to get some clarity on what "No pass, no penalty" means. It was described to me as the communication given by or to the jam ref for their jammer when the jammer is blocked out of bounds and the blocker goes out as well followed by the jammer taking advantage of the opportunity to reestablish in bounds immediately without having to cycle behind the blocker. This constitutes a no pass and thus no penalty and also no point is awarded. What is the theory behind why it should work that way? If a jammer gets through the pack why should they be denied a point or points because blockers can't control themselves? Doesn't this seem open to abuse? Am I understanding the situation correctly?
