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Rules Discussion / Re: JAMMER HELMET COVER
« Last post by Stray Taco on October 03, 2019, 12:54:03 pm »
No. If the Jammer starts the jam in the penalty box and dons the cover prior to making all the passes they need to earn Lead Jammer, they should be awarded lead.

I'm basing this on Scenario C2.2.2.A:
Red Jammer starts the Jam with their helmet cover inside-out. The stars are not visible with high contrast. They remove the cover, invert it, and put it back on their helmet. They then legally pass all Skaters, including the foremost Blocker.

Outcome: Red Jammer is declared Lead.

Rationale: Since Red Jammer did not have the ability to gain Lead prior to removing the Star from their head, they did not lose that ability.

Keep in Mind: If Red Jammer had removed the Star when the stars were visible, they would have lost the ability to gain Lead.

This scenario is similar: since they didn't have the ability to gain Lead until they were out of the Penalty Box AND wearing the cover with the Star visible, they didn't lose that ability, so they're still eligible to gain the ability and then earn Lead.
Events / Clover Cup 2020 - March 20-22 - North Richland Hills, TX USA
« Last post by SodOff on September 28, 2019, 10:09:13 am »
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Clover Cup was a WFTDA Recognized Tournament in 2019 and we will be applying for Recognized status in 2020. This is a great tournament to prepare for applying for post-season play!

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Rules Discussion / JAMMER HELMET COVER
« Last post by 3Beers on September 22, 2019, 12:35:26 pm »
Rules state: "...Jammer must pass the foremost in-play blocker legally, in bounds, and upright, while wearing the Jammer cover with the stars visible...."
If starting the jam in the penalty box, does the player have to be wearing the helmet cover?
Rules Discussion / Re: "Pincer" blocks = multipayer?
« Last post by Bluebeard on July 11, 2019, 06:30:49 pm »
That is correct.  A multiplayer block penalty requires two teammates to have a link or grasp between them and an opponent to attempt to pass between those two players and be impeded.  The opponent does not need to directly challenge the link,or grasp, itself. 

From OP it is not completely clear if there is link or grasp going on.  If there is, issue the penalty.  If there is not a link or grasp going on, there is not a multiplayer block penalty to issue.
Rules Discussion / "Pincer" blocks = multipayer?
« Last post by Rego_Derby on July 11, 2019, 01:08:36 am »
Two White blockers are facing each other in the middle of the track and the arms pointing in the counterclockwise direction are bracing each other's shoulders. The blockers have formed a triangle with their braced arms away from any incoming skater and their bodies making up the other two sides creating a kind of pincer or something that resembles a binder clip. A jammer skates in and challenges the seam made by their shoulders facing the clockwise direction. I had one ref suggest this constitutes a multiplayer despite the fact that the brace or link itself isn't being challenged because without the brace/link the jammer should be able to more easily shove one of the skaters out of the way to create a gap. Is this correct?
Rules Discussion / Re: Jammer Scoring Theory
« Last post by Major Wood on June 26, 2019, 09:59:33 pm »
They aren't denied points. They can make the decision to just continue on and not get that point, or drop back and re-attempt to legally pass.
I don't recall specifically what the reasons were for making it the way it is, but the alternatives would be to either:

  • earn the point if the jammer passes while both are out of bounds
  • jammer only gets one attempt to score on any opposing blocker

The first provides a disincentive for blockers to go for big blocks anywhere near the line, leading to (likely) less exciting gameplay.
The latter is something that used to be the case, and was called "one shot scoring". It was overwhelmingly voted out. That was before my time, but I suspect the reasoning was that it made things much harder for jammers, and was arguably more difficult to keep track of as a jammer referee.

In any case, the way things are now is less punitive and allows jammers to make a choice based on what they think will give them better results. Maybe it's dropping back to get that one blocker point. Maybe it's moving forward to start a new scoring pass and potentially another 4 points.
Rules Discussion / Jammer Scoring Theory
« Last post by Rego_Derby on June 25, 2019, 04:30:03 am »
While at a tourney last weekend I was trying to get some clarity on what "No pass, no penalty" means. It was described to me as the communication given by or to the jam ref for their jammer when the jammer is blocked out of bounds and the blocker goes out as well followed by the jammer taking advantage of the opportunity to reestablish in bounds immediately without having to cycle behind the blocker. This constitutes a no pass and thus no penalty and also no point is awarded. What is the theory behind why it should work that way? If a jammer gets through the pack why should they be denied a point or points because blockers can't control themselves? Doesn't this seem open to abuse? Am I understanding the situation correctly?
Rules Discussion / Re: Clamping down with the upper arm
« Last post by bmd (2113) on June 12, 2019, 07:54:29 pm »
Rules recently published this Statement on Illegal Holding

The Rules Committee Theory Panel has been monitoring a potential issue over the last two years and feels the time has come to make a public statement providing direction.

The Rules of Flat Track Roller Derby detail a number of ways to legally and illegally block. The Rules cannot exhaustively catalog all possible forms of contact, and there will remain gray areas. However the absence of a specific prohibition does not implicitly make an action legal. The action must be evaluated in the spirit of the sport and in line with other similar actions.

Legal forms of blocking do not include grasping or holding an opponent even if the contact is made using legal blocking and/or target zones. This illegal hold can take several forms including intentionally trapping an opponent’s arm, or as has been observed in some recent play, encircling an opponent’s leg. The latter of which is a dangerous and unfair tactic. A skater must be able to disengage from a one-on-one block without breaking an opponent’s hold.

It is within the Referees' discretion to penalize these illegal holds as Unsporting Conduct.
General Ref Discussion / Re: Ref facepaint
« Last post by Major Wood on June 12, 2019, 04:16:34 pm »
We aren't saying that you have to look exactly like everyone else. The general sentiment of what you quoted is a good one to keep in mind. Everyone is going to have a different idea of where that line is. The further that line is from looking exactly like everyone else is for you, the more likely you are to end up in a conversation where you are being asked to change your appearance for a game.

Real talk... If I knew of a nearby referee who is wearing facepaint at their home games, I likely would never invite that referee to work our games. Especially among the high level referees I know, I'm far from being alone in that thought. Like I said in my first reply, if you want to advance far past home games, it's probably best to avoid things like face paint.
General Ref Discussion / Re: Ref facepaint
« Last post by Rego_Derby on June 11, 2019, 11:35:08 pm »
Officials should avoid attracting unnecessary attention to their appearance.

I feel the need to push back on this a bit. I might not have been around the sport very long, but I've already seen female and trans refs with some bright eye shadow and lipstick. Refs put stickers on their helmets, too. Kilts are not nearly as practical as athletic shorts or track pants. We're all wearing ridiculous aliases on our back (many of which are not very family friendly). We're doing our part to draw some attention already.

Part of what got me into the sport was seeing how inclusive it was and how the athletes (and to a lesser extent refs) were allowed their self-expression to celebrate their contribution to this sport. Everyone wasn't just another uniform and number, people (including refs) took pride in their "derby look." It all adds to the pageantry of the sport that differentiates it from the traditions and pageantry of other sports. I respect a head ref that doesn't want it. I'm not gonna want to wear facepaint when it's gonna be a real hassle (e.g. a tournament or cutting it close between arrival and whistle). But I also feel like as with the rest of what we're wearing that as long as it isn't offensive or indicates bias then more power to that individual.
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