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Re: Nashville Rollergirls 2018 Scrimmage-A-Thon by Major Wood
January 16, 2018, 08:41:06 pm

Re: Illegal Re-entry Vice Cutting by Ref Leppard
January 16, 2018, 12:15:53 pm

Re: Illegal Re-entry Vice Cutting by Axis of Stevil
January 16, 2018, 07:25:22 am

Re: Illegal Re-entry Vice Cutting by Divide by Zero
January 16, 2018, 07:12:52 am

Illegal Re-entry Vice Cutting by Ref Leppard
January 16, 2018, 03:33:37 am

Re: When to Call the Destruction by AdamSmasher
January 07, 2018, 10:13:06 pm

Re: When to Call the Destruction by HELLvis
January 06, 2018, 09:22:27 pm

Re: When to Call the Destruction by Major Wood
January 05, 2018, 07:17:01 pm

When to Call the Destruction by HELLvis
January 05, 2018, 05:46:51 am

Re: B-Cup 2018 (March 3-4, Bloomington, Indiana) by SilkenTofu
December 26, 2017, 02:01:22 pm

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Events / Re: Nashville Rollergirls 2018 Scrimmage-A-Thon
« Last post by Major Wood on January 16, 2018, 08:41:06 pm »
Updating this to say that applications are closed for referees, but we are still looking for NSOs.
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Rules Discussion / Re: Illegal Re-entry Vice Cutting
« Last post by Ref Leppard on January 16, 2018, 12:15:53 pm »
Thank you very much!
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Rules Discussion / Re: Illegal Re-entry Vice Cutting
« Last post by Axis of Stevil on January 16, 2018, 07:25:22 am »
Do we treat same team blockers the same for illegal re-entry and cutting? 

Yes.

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Rules Discussion / Re: Illegal Re-entry Vice Cutting
« Last post by Divide by Zero on January 16, 2018, 07:12:52 am »
A skater returning from the box has to return behind all blockers. Just like a skater getting hit out has to return behind everyone who was in front. Anything else is illegal. A skater cutting one teammate is illegal, however it's not considered enough impact to warrant a penalty. Similarly returning from the box in front of one teammate is illegal but not enough impact for a penalty.
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Rules Discussion / Illegal Re-entry Vice Cutting
« Last post by Ref Leppard on January 16, 2018, 03:33:37 am »
Do we treat same team blockers the same for illegal re-entry and cutting? 

The casebook clearly allows for a skater to cut one team member without incurring a penalty.  There is no such reference for an illegal re-entry.  The rule book entry for illegal re-entry requires the skater to enter behind ALL blockers.

Looking through previous posts (referencing older rule sets) it appears that in the past we have treated them as separate cases due to cutting involving the skater having an established position but, in the case of the illegal re-entry, the skater does not have any established position yet.

By what I've read I believe that a skater re-entering from the penalty box would incur an Illegal Re-entry penalty if they enter in front of even one of their own team mates. 

I'm hoping I'm reading/interpreting this correctly.
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Rules Discussion / Re: When to Call the Destruction
« Last post by AdamSmasher on January 07, 2018, 10:13:06 pm »
Just to expand a little.  One very common situation is that one skater will be clearly responsible for destroying the pack, but it's also clear that the pack will reform relatively quickly without her involvement.  For example, a skater quickly darts backwards, breaking the pack, but on the "NO PACK" call, everyone in back floors it.

In that case, I will nearly always give the "Pack is here" signal *before* issuing the destruction, just like Major Wood said.   

Which means that what the skaters hear is: "PACK IS HERE" followed by "DESTROYING THE PACK."  Newer skaters will often get confused at this point - How could I destroy the pack if the pack was here?  This is something that I end up explaining quite a bit in lower level play - that the destruction had already occurred before the reformation, but that signalling the one was higher on the priority list than the other.
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Rules Discussion / Re: When to Call the Destruction
« Last post by HELLvis on January 06, 2018, 09:22:27 pm »
Awesome.  Thank you for responding.  This is very helpful.

And Hello from The Queen City Roller Girls in Buffalo!
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Rules Discussion / Re: When to Call the Destruction
« Last post by Major Wood on January 05, 2018, 07:17:01 pm »
Lots of questions here. I'll answer each individually, then give a more direct answer:

If a blocker clearly causes a no pack and I call "NO PACK" should I give the verbal cue for the destruction penalty before or after I announce that the pack is reformed. 

The priority should be on declaring the reformation of the pack, but it's not that simple.

Also, what if she is the one most responsible for reforming the pack?

Technically, she can reform the pack until she has been penalized. Again, not that simple.

If she's already penalized with a destruction how can she be the one to reform? Is it because she is only officially penalized when I announce it?

You answered your own question here.

Should she not count in reforming the pack?

If she does count is it possible to give her a destruction and a failure to reform?

I suppose it would be, but I think that doing so would indicate a failure on the part of the inside pack referees.

Now, to explain how this should work:
There are two inside pack referees, and they should be working as a team. Both should be declaring no pack at the same time. If not at the same time, the second inside pack referee should declare very quickly after the first. At that point in time, both inside pack referees are watching to see when the pack reforms and who is responsible if it is not. During this time, if one of the inside pack referees saw a skater as being responsible for destroying the pack, they can immediately issue that penalty. Because the other inside pack referee was already watching for reformation, there should not be a delay in declaring the pack to be reformed.

We have 7 referees for a reason. Sometimes that reason builds in redundancy to allow us to do things like this with minimal impact to the game.
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Rules Discussion / When to Call the Destruction
« Last post by HELLvis on January 05, 2018, 05:46:51 am »
A few related questions;
 
 If a blocker clearly causes a no pack and I call "NO PACK" should I give the verbal cue for the destruction penalty before or after I announce that the pack is reformed. 
 Also, what if she is the one most responsible for reforming the pack?  If she's already penalized with a destruction how can she be the one to reform?  Is it because she is only officially penalized when I announce it?  Should she not count in reforming the pack?  If she does count is it possible to give her a destruction and a failure to reform?
 I hope this is clear.

Thanks
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Events / Re: B-Cup 2018 (March 3-4, Bloomington, Indiana)
« Last post by SilkenTofu on December 26, 2017, 02:01:22 pm »
Bumping this! Do you now have a better idea of what your 2018 schedule might look like? Looking for a fun, low-pressure tournament where you can practice things you don't do often or get new opportunities? Want to get some games in before the tournament crush starts in April? Are two-day tournaments easier for you to manage than three-day ones? Maybe you just want a patch with a bra on it?

If the answer to any of those is yes, B-Cup is the place for you! The application is set to close after January 15, so apply now!
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