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Offline Doctor Skatan

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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2010, 05:42:14 pm »
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I started making full penalty boards for the league I train with & plan on using velcro to stick markers to the board. My prototype works fine with multiple violent removals. No sliding & no mess.
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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2010, 05:53:41 am »
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I built for Arch Rival last season a light up penalty board.  I know many here on the huddle don't like such a thing but our refs and skaters love it.  They find it very easy to read how many minors and trips they have.  Yes, this has a greater chance of failure than a dry erase.  This is why I keep a whiteboard as a back up in the wings.

At scrimmages we use a large whiteboard that has a printed grid on it.  I've tried using the hash mark method but our ref find it easier to use the circle x method.  (Those that don't know it a minor = /, 2 minors = X, 3 minors = circle the X.)

I recently was at another league's first local bout and they did write down the penalty code for minors and trips.  I did explain that their system in time might have issues when a flood of calls starts coming in.  I did find it impressive how she was able to keep up.  She even would circle the trip in a different color when the skater was in the box to show the skaters has served her time. 
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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2011, 09:42:03 pm »
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I used to use metal magnets that a skater picked me up from a craft store. While they did make things very visible and never fell off, the whole process was simply slower than using a dry-erase marker.

That said, there are magnetic dry-erase boards. With those you can have the best of both worlds. Have your leagues's skaters names printed up in easy to read font on magnets and hand-write the other league's in. Mark penalties down in marker. I don't feel you need to put the penalty code on the penalty board, just something like Xs in boxes to denote the numbers of minors and penalty minutes (NOT MAJORS!).
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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2011, 01:20:15 am »
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Back in June 2010 I posted how we started putting the penalty codes on the white boards.  This season we have continued to do this.  Our penalty trackers and wranglers have the codes memorized.  We have cheat sheets posted on the back of the boards for visiting NSO's.  Our announcer can see both boards and now knows what minor each skater committed and can tell the crowd what happened.  Each bench is given a cheat sheet so they can see what their skaters did wrong.

From a ref perspective I can skate up to the board and look at it after the jam.  I know I called a cut and an elbow on black 69.  If I don't see an "X" and an "E" on that line then I know the tracker or wrangler missed it and it gets corrected.

The system is working well.

We have a projected penalty board system in the works but it is being held back due to funding.
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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2011, 03:26:10 pm »
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Placing the actually penalty codes sounds like a good idea, but could lead to major problems in the long run.  We actually picked up a new way of marking our majors during the ref clinic held in Memphis last summer, and I think it was DJ Jazzy Ref who brought this up (Panti, Wood, Seer, Knot, could someone verify that for me, trying to give credit where it's due); the words "FOUL OUT" consist of exactly 7 letters.  For each major/box trip incurred, a letter is added.  Once you see FOULOUT, that skater is gone.  Its an easy visual for both the skaters and coaches.  As for minors, we do a circled x for minors; 1st minor - one slash, 2nd minor - another slash, 3rd minor - the X is circled.  Again, and easy visual representation that the skaters and coaches can see.
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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2011, 05:59:20 pm »
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I can't speak for who came up with the system since I first saw it in Memphis. But it's a good system and takes about 15 seconds to get the hang of it.

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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2011, 06:30:24 pm »
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I built for Arch Rival last season a light up penalty board.  I know many here on the huddle don't like such a thing but our refs and skaters love it.  They find it very easy to read how many minors and trips they have.  Yes, this has a greater chance of failure than a dry erase.  This is why I keep a whiteboard as a back up in the wings.

At scrimmages we use a large whiteboard that has a printed grid on it.  I've tried using the hash mark method but our ref find it easier to use the circle x method.  (Those that don't know it a minor = /, 2 minors = X, 3 minors = circle the X.)

I recently was at another league's first local bout and they did write down the penalty code for minors and trips.  I did explain that their system in time might have issues when a flood of calls starts coming in.  I did find it impressive how she was able to keep up.  She even would circle the trip in a different color when the skater was in the box to show the skaters has served her time. 

I saw your board at your last double header and actually took pictures of it.  We would love to learn more on how you did it for our home bouts!
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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2011, 09:38:11 pm »
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I'm not keen on the FOUL OUT method as it takes a good bit of space and FOUL OUT and FOUL OU look very similar.

My preferred method is simply showing the number of penalty turns.

1 penalty turn = 1
2  = 2
... etc
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Offline mick hawkins

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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2011, 01:25:25 am »
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...they did write down the penalty code for minors and trips.  I did explain that their system in time might have issues when a flood of calls starts coming in. 

we write the codes for both minors and minutes on the whiteboard

our whiteboarder doesn't seem to have any trouble keeping up
(neither does our single penalty tracker*)

I don't think it's any harder to write codes on the board than on the tracking sheet

some skaters say it's useful too
some fans like to take photos of the board at the end of the game, noting what the skaters were penalised for

*oh how i love a single penalty tracker
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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2011, 04:06:03 am »
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I've been trying to devise a good system to tally the jams off that a player who causes a call-off by being injured must take.  I think I've come up with one that covers all concerns and wanted to see if anyone had any input or a better way of doing it.

1. The player is injured and the jam is called off.  The inside white board NSO marks 3 small Xs to the right of her number vertically.

2. As each jam passes an X is erased and replaced with an O.  After the last jam off passes, the player has 3 vertical Os to the right of her number.  These stay there in case a second jam is called off due to her injury.  They are erased at the end of the period.

3. If the player is injured again that period and the jam is called off, the 3 Os are filled in to signify she cannot return to the track for the rest of the period.  They are erased at the end of the period.
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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2011, 11:57:59 pm »
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I'm not keen on the FOUL OUT method as it takes a good bit of space and FOUL OUT and FOUL OU look very similar.

If the skater is still in the game, then it's at FOULOU. If it reaches FOULOUT, the skater should be gone.

And Gimmie Mo, you probably did get it from Jazzy. To the best of my knowledge it was developed by the ARG ref, Freddie Chopin'.
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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2011, 12:29:30 am »
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I've been trying to devise a good system to tally the jams off that a player who causes a call-off by being injured must take.  I think I've come up with one that covers all concerns and wanted to see if anyone had any input or a better way of doing it.

I've given this job to line-up trackers.
They record when a jam is called off for a particular skater... and who's lining up on the track for each jam.

I figured they'd be in the best position to note when a skater was eligible to return after sitting out 3.
It's worked ok so far.

Only negative might be that they aren't in close proximity to the HR - in the event that an OTO needed to becalled at the last second to resolve an issue.
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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2011, 10:44:33 pm »
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My league used a full board at our last game, and we marked down major penalty codes.  We had quite an abundance of NSOs (we require our freshies to help NSO ;]), so it wasn't a hassle.  We were able to have two people assigned to the board, working with our wrangler and penalty trackers.  Everyone loved the board, especially the teams.  It was way easier for them to understand and see than a 3-board.

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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2011, 10:47:51 pm »
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I haven't seen a 3 board in a VERY long time. If any of you are still using one, please, please, please, switch to a full penalty board.
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Re: Inside White Board Markings
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2011, 12:11:15 am »
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Lots of leagues that I've worked for still use a 3 board (a SMALL 3 board, too!).  As soon as I started working as a penalty tracker and paying more attention to the 3 board, I thought it was kind of archaic.  I quickly had my league switch to a full board.  3 boards are just so hard to see, and kind of a pain to keep track of.  Plus I love how much more information is readily available with a full board.

 

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