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Stopping to Block
« on: February 06, 2009, 01:47:34 pm »
5.1.3 Says that a skater who is in play and stepping, (Not down or at a standstill) may initiate a block.

However there is not listed a appropriate Penalty for a player coming to a stop and hitting another opponent that I could find. example.

Blocker skating in the pack, comes up onto her toestops, stopping her forward movement, and shoulder blocks back into the legal target zone (chest) of an opposing skater.

She isn't skating counter clockwise to block, but by her stop and shouldering back, she's clearly not moving forward and is at a standstill when it occurs.

I wish we had a category for just "Illegal Block".
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 03:51:53 pm »
This is true.

Following the principle of guidelines ( "Illegal actions not specified below must be enforced using these specifics as guiding examples") I'd call an Out of Play penalty on her, as it's the closest to the situation. But not perfect, I know.

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2009, 05:27:06 pm »
you could refer to 5.1.3 (must be skating) and 5.1.4 (dangerous blocking technique) and call an IP...
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2009, 05:31:16 pm »
you could refer to 5.1.3 (must be skating) and 5.1.4 (dangerous blocking technique) and call an IP...

+1 IP that wonderful catch all call.
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 05:42:17 pm »
It is a wonderful catch-all call for penalties not related to a block. For it to be an IP it shouldn't directly affect a skater, but the game itself.
Man, I need to have a copy of the rules on my phone so I can reference this stuff while on the road.
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 06:35:54 pm »
Man, I need to have a copy of the rules on my phone so I can reference this stuff while on the road.

That would be an awesome iPhone app!

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 08:17:59 pm »
It is a wonderful catch-all call for penalties not related to a block. For it to be an IP it shouldn't directly affect a skater, but the game itself.
Man, I need to have a copy of the rules on my phone so I can reference this stuff while on the road.

Ah, see that is why this is such an invaluable resource. Of course it even says that in the rules.  :-[ Perhaps a new call, "IB" is in order. Thanks Major
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 08:27:31 pm »
It is a wonderful catch-all call for penalties not related to a block. For it to be an IP it shouldn't directly affect a skater, but the game itself.
Man, I need to have a copy of the rules on my phone so I can reference this stuff while on the road.

Ah, see that is why this is such an invaluable resource. Of course it even says that in the rules.  :-[ Perhaps a new call, "IB" is in order. Thanks Major

Hence the suggestion to call it OOP, as the closest we have.

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 09:14:42 pm »
I haven't seen such a block and I hope I never will... but thanks for the clarification about the IP!
I'll call it OOP if spot one...
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 10:03:14 pm »
It is a wonderful catch-all call for penalties not related to a block. For it to be an IP it shouldn't directly affect a skater, but the game itself.
Man, I need to have a copy of the rules on my phone so I can reference this stuff while on the road.

Ah, see that is why this is such an invaluable resource. Of course it even says that in the rules.  :-[ Perhaps a new call, "IB" is in order. Thanks Major

Hence the suggestion to call it OOP, as the closest we have.
Point taken. You are the master.
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2009, 01:57:36 pm »
Yeah, my instinct has always been to call IP for anything that isn't specifically covered by the existing penalty categories or hand signals. The problem with that is that the P in IP stands for Procedure so it doesn't really fit. But having said that, if something did fit then this conversation would be moot.

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2009, 09:30:08 pm »
I'm a bit of an IP junkie I'm afraid, purely because of the lack of the "what you did was wrong but I can't specify a rule" rule.

Ref Deadly Nedly HAS got the rules on his Iphone somehow, I will ask him how next time I see him!
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2009, 09:04:48 am »
I'm a bit of an IP junkie I'm afraid, purely because of the lack of the "what you did was wrong but I can't specify a rule" rule.


If you can't specify a rule, how do you know what she did was wrong?  Can you give an example?
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2009, 08:48:20 pm »
I'm a bit of an IP junkie I'm afraid, purely because of the lack of the "what you did was wrong but I can't specify a rule" rule.

Ref Deadly Nedly HAS got the rules on his Iphone somehow, I will ask him how next time I see him!
Send yourself an email with the PDF attachment, move it to a folder. That's how I do it. I just make sure that the folde rin question doesn't have too many messages to push the important ones off the bottom.

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2009, 09:13:56 pm »
Alternately, you could bring a paper copy with you and keep it in the infield.  ;D
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