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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2009, 06:34:58 pm »
I also let both team captains, scoreboard staff and other zebras know that I have another stopwatch with the period time on, in case the scoreboard electricity goes off (which has happened to me twice while HR).
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2009, 02:24:47 am »
Our scoreboard operator/period timer is told to stop the period clock if the jam doesnt start after the 30seconds

effectively stopping the clock for an "unofficial" official timeout - even if an official timeout wasnt signalled
this allows the NSOs and Refs a little extra (a few seconds) to get their shit together if needed - without wasting playing time

this doesnt happen very often - it's just a failsafe measure to prevent the clock running down unnecessarily

the clock is then restarted when the jam starts

this isnt a substitute for an officials timeout - if we need a timeout, it's called
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2009, 08:36:40 pm »
Attached is my entire list of Pre-Bout meeting points, with relevant citations from the WFTDA 3.1 ruleset.  I do the Head Ref - Captains meeting before they warmup and find it much easier to handout sheets for the Captains and Alternates.  Then they can convey the information with their teams before the bout, and approach me with any questions before the bout starts.
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2009, 12:50:03 am »

9. Don't use the word "Go" when releasing a skater from the penalty box.  Adrenaline filled skaters have been known to take this as an instruction and skate out only to get an IP major for following that instruction.  Use 4 3 2 1 clear or equiv. (noidd)

I don't understand this.  If the penalty keeper told me to go, I would.  According to 6.12.19 if the penalty box timer tells you to go, you can't be penalized for that.
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2009, 01:59:22 am »
Well she could go... out in the middle of the pack.
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2009, 02:46:37 am »

9. Don't use the word "Go" when releasing a skater from the penalty box.  Adrenaline filled skaters have been known to take this as an instruction and skate out only to get an IP major for following that instruction.  Use 4 3 2 1 clear or equiv. (noidd)

I don't understand this.  If the penalty keeper told me to go, I would.  According to 6.12.19 if the penalty box timer tells you to go, you can't be penalized for that.

"Go" is a command.

Also, Dude, "Go" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Done," please.
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2009, 07:30:59 pm »
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2009, 08:52:42 pm »
Entering the box CW is totally legal. There should be no penalties issued.

However, if they enter CW the time will not start.
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2009, 09:03:11 pm »
I hope you mean clockwise....
Hey look, a search function! Right up there! No on the left

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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2009, 09:20:26 pm »
fixed it
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2009, 09:21:02 pm »
I'm sure thats what he meant.

hehe I had to have a 'discussion' with my team this past practice, who most have been skating for over a year now, that 'skating backwards' is not the same as skating 'Clockwise'.

That it was in fact legal for a pack skater to turn around still skating 'derby direction' and be skating backwards and to initiate contact as long as it was to a legal zone.

fwiw the 'backwards skater' was turned around during a block and to catch themselves skated backwards for a few strides at the front of the pack, and was 'bumped' by a opposing skater who then yelled they were skating the wrong direction.

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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2009, 10:24:05 pm »
Well she could go... out in the middle of the pack.


Yeah, but that would be stupid ;).  If I'm released, and the pack is coming, I still wait for it to pass, rather than trying to lap it.   But, I can see how that would seem like a command, rather than just a notification of my release :).
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2009, 12:20:52 am »
That it was in fact legal for a pack skater to turn around still skating 'derby direction' and be skating backwards and to initiate contact as long as it was to a legal zone.

Legal? Yes.

Smart? Perhaps for a firmly positioned rear blocker who is determining the opposing jammer's whereabouts, but for anyone else, not so much. If a pack skater is skating backwards, she can be legally blocked by a skater behind her, as her legal target zones don't change with her turn-around. If she falls as the result of such a block, it probably won't be small, and if she trips someone in the process, that's a major on her.
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2009, 01:29:49 am »

Legal? Yes.

Smart? Perhaps for a firmly positioned rear blocker who is determining the opposing jammer's whereabouts, but for anyone else, not so much. If a pack skater is skating backwards, she can be legally blocked by a skater behind her, as her legal target zones don't change with her turn-around. If she falls as the result of such a block, it probably won't be small, and if she trips someone in the process, that's a major on her.

Wow, I hadn't considered that.  We have a few folks who skate backwards in the pack; they might want to rethink that.
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Re: Pre-Bout Meeting and other Head Ref advice
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2009, 05:12:08 am »
Agreed, This one wasn't so much 'skating' backwards for a length of time as they were 'hit' and got turned around, kept it for a second or two to regain their balance, and piss off the other pack skater, who drew her own penalty for 'hands' by pushing the backwards skater out of her way and saying "turn the eff around, you can't skate backwards."

Guess that is what practice IS all about, Wanna bet? You sure can skate backwards.. just not 'Clockwise'

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