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NSOs on skates?
« on: May 22, 2010, 06:02:36 am »
Hey all.  I watched a bout recently where the jam timer was on skates.  I can see the advantage to this, as it allows you to quickly move out of the way of oncoming refs.  However, this is a N(on) S(kating) O(fficial) position.  Does it really matter if your NSOs choose to be on skates or not, or is this something that should be mandated by the leagues?
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2010, 09:51:11 am »
Skimming through the rules, other than them being called "Non Skating Officials", I don't see anything that says you can't.

I'm quite new to the ins and outs of center track clutter, but doesn't the jam timer generally hide/move into the middle with penalty trackers/relays?
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2010, 12:49:41 pm »
Were they in full protective kit? Whilst I know of no explicit reason why you couldn't have a jam timer on skates, I'd say that they would have to be outfitted like every other skating person for insurance purposes, presumably.

They would also have to make sure they were recognisable as an official (ie wearing some visible identifier of thier neutrality like a specific colour of short or whatever) so that they didn't accidentally get clobbered by an over-eager skater...
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2010, 03:32:00 pm »
They're referred to as non-skating officials for a reason.
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2010, 03:36:40 pm »
No, they are a NON skating official. At no time should they have skates on. Multiple reasons for this, but the main one is they could be mistaken for a referee. It needs to be clear who are the refs and who are the NSO's. ZIt may not say in the rule NSO's cant wear skates, but that would be a bit redundant becase they are already classified as "Non skating"

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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2010, 03:54:21 pm »
However, we have non-skating refs.  How would you classify a standing head ref?
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2010, 04:32:34 pm »
Wearing skates makes one resemble a skating official (referee) and: [rule]9.4.2.1 Non-Skating Officials are strongly encouraged to dress in an un-obtrusive uniform differentiating themselves from Referees.[/rule]

Also: [rule]9.4.1 Referees are permitted to wear inline skates, but are strongly encouraged to wear quad
skates.[/rule]  Note N(on) S(kating) O(fficials) are only told not to look like refs, ie. wear comfortable shoes and a bright colored shirt...if you want to skate, ref. 
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Were they in full protective kit?
  Covers it best in that they would (or should), for safety sake be in gear.  So gear+skates = a few stripes away from reffing which is not NSOing.

Of course, if it's not a sanctioned bout, go wild.  Have fun, be safe, but I wouldn't allow it as HR...
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2010, 11:46:39 am »
I don't know where you get "bright colored shirt" from "unobtrusive uniform."  I keep my NSOs off skates so they can quickly step/run out of the way of flying derby girls and refs, and so it takes less room to maneuver in the middle of the track.  Having 4 people on skates in the middle is plenty.  Also, "NON-skating official."
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2010, 04:35:52 pm »
I don't know where you get "bright colored shirt" from "unobtrusive uniform."  I keep my NSOs off skates so they can quickly step/run out of the way of flying derby girls and refs, and so it takes less room to maneuver in the middle of the track.  Having 4 people on skates in the middle is plenty.  Also, "NON-skating official."

Unless you are doing a 5 and 2 configuration.
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2010, 05:08:08 pm »
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I don't know where you get "bright colored shirt" from "unobtrusive uniform."

Bright colors in a crowd make it easy to regather NSOs after a half-time break  is all.  Similarly having large printed "STATS" or "STAFF" on the shirts helps.
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2010, 05:24:55 pm »
However, we have non-skating refs.  How would you classify a standing head ref?

File it under "inadequate"
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2010, 05:30:46 pm »
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Quote from: Noah Tall on May 22, 2010, 10:54:21 AMHowever, we have non-skating refs.  How would you classify a standing head ref?


File it under "inadequate"

Fact.  Previously the only really acceptable non-skating referee would have been an OPR.  This has since been ruled out as a best practice.

[rule]Outside standing referees
should be eliminated as a
practice, as it is not an
effective practice.[/rule]
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2010, 05:39:33 pm »
Yes. It was agreed a couple years ago, when best practices was created (I believe that was in 2008), that non-skating referees on the outside should be eliminated. The only allowance for non-skating referees in the rules is outside pack refs.

Back to the topic at hand. NSOs should be non-skating.
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2010, 07:58:46 am »
I have a bout coming up that is a double header. The first Bout I'm Head Ref. The second bout I'm Jam timer. The bouts are going to be staggered. There is no way that I'm going to put on and take off my skates twice. I don't think there is any reason to forbid it, but think it's best left to situations like the one I just described.
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2010, 01:01:17 pm »
There is no way that I'm going to put on and take off my skates twice.

Do you really think that putting your skates on twice in two hours is such an arduous requirement?
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