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Offline Pat-E-Rat

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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2010, 01:37:02 pm »
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The bouts are going to be staggered.
That sounds like a clusterf#ck of a way to do a double header.  It also sounds like it would be unsanctioned if you're splitting bouts and mixing periods, which means 4.0 doesn't apply as you're not playing by it.  If you were, you should remove the skates and jersey...
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2010, 01:50:50 pm »
That sounds like a clusterf#ck of a way to do a double header.  It also sounds like it would be unsanctioned if you're splitting bouts and mixing periods, which means 4.0 doesn't apply as you're not playing by it.
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2010, 04:18:34 pm »

Do you really think that putting your skates on twice in two hours is such an arduous requirement?
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I don't think it's too much to ask. However, being head ref of one of the bouts I wil be a little too busy to use the time between to take off or re lace my skates. I will however be changing my jersey. (That should go without saying).
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2010, 04:41:51 pm »
D'OH...can I  -1 myself?  Thanks, Noidd.  For some reason, in my morning brain, I was envisioning a mixed scrimmage-eque bout...again, d'oh.
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2010, 05:37:26 pm »
I don't know where you get "bright colored shirt" from "unobtrusive uniform."  I keep my NSOs off skates so they can quickly step/run out of the way of flying derby girls and refs, and so it takes less room to maneuver in the middle of the track.  Having 4 people on skates in the middle is plenty.  Also, "NON-skating official."

Having 4 people on skates in the middle is plenty.

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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2010, 06:22:21 pm »
However, being head ref of one of the bouts I wil be a little too busy to use the time between to take off or re lace my skates. I will however be changing my jersey. (That should go without saying).
It all comes down to scheduling your time appropriately.  If you need to talk to crew after the period you HR, take the crew to some place where you can change your skates.  Have your shirt & shoes near the track (behind a team bench, under/next to a stats table, etc.), and leave your skates & helmet in the same place after you change - no need to take time going to the locker room.  Unless your periods are less than ten minutes apart, you should have time to change you skates & get into position.
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2010, 02:45:32 am »

Do you really think that putting your skates on twice in two hours is such an arduous requirement?

I don't think it's too much to ask. However, being head ref of one of the bouts I wil be a little too busy to use the time between to take off or re lace my skates. I will however be changing my jersey. (That should go without saying).
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You can't take your skates off and talk at the same time?

And I seriously just had to ask that?

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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2010, 04:04:47 pm »
Honestly, I understand where he's coming from - there may also be venue restrictions where going to a changing area just isn't practical. Not wanting, but apparently doing so anyway, to assume what the intent of the rules when they were written, it would seem that it was written to accomodate situations where running the bout is more important than protocol.

I know I'll probably get roasted for saying this, but it doesn't bother me if a NSO is on-skates in Vermin Skum's situation, as long as they have some way of completely obscuring the stripes (large shirt, jacket, lab coat, etc.), which denote skating officials.

I know there are people here involved in writing the rules, so please correct me if I'm wrong. But skates are just footwear, if you're not moving around the track in them, are you really skating?
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2010, 04:25:29 pm »
But skates are just footwear, if you're not moving around the track in them, are you really skating?

Which then begs the question of why are you wearing skates, then? And then there's still that whole Non-Skating Official thing...
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2010, 04:46:51 pm »
On is on. The line is the line. Non-skating is non-skating.
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2010, 05:17:00 pm »
On the topic of NSO wearing skates: This makes me recall what Stego pointed out ages ago. 

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I do think that those of us in more experienced and/or WFTDA leagues need to remember: as much as we're getting more and more regulated and consistent, flexibility is still an essential part of roller derby.  Some things just work for some leagues that would never work for the rest of us.  Some of our leagues are extremely competitive, while others are more interested in just having fun.  It's OK to let go and realize they may find a different way to run the show than any of us could live with.

Hopefully, I'm not taking her out of context here.  I'm sure she'll speak up if I am.  :)
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2010, 05:25:44 pm »

Do you really think that putting your skates on twice in two hours is such an arduous requirement?

I don't think it's too much to ask. However, being head ref of one of the bouts I wil be a little too busy to use the time between to take off or re lace my skates. I will however be changing my jersey. (That should go without saying).

On Sunday, I was given 5 whole minutes to take off my ref gear and start rocking a clipboard. I did it with 90 seconds to spare, and that's even considering I get all OCD about having everything packed just right in my gear bag lest I forget anything. My stuff was in a skate room, opposite where I needed to be when the second bout got started. It's really not that hard.
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2010, 05:32:50 pm »
On a related note, are Heelys technically skates or shoes?  That's always confused me.  
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2010, 05:36:50 pm »
On a related note, are Heelys technically skates or shoes?  That's always confused me.  
I believe they're technically "annoying", but that could just be because I'm a grouchy old lady who worked in reatail.
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Re: NSOs on skates?
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2010, 05:49:57 pm »
I believe they're technically "annoying"

I'd "plus one" the shit out of this if I could.
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