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Offline Rogzilla

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NSO shirts?
« on: May 25, 2010, 01:07:55 pm »
Last night the league merch manager asked me if the NSO crew would be interested in shirts, I said yes. I've been mulling ideas for how to make them "official" enough vs. building some elements of the league's branding into the design. (For some idea of what this looks like, check out http://gardenstaterollergirls.com/.)

My first idea was a black shirt with "NSO" in large block letters on the back, in the "Irish Green" color that matches our logo. On the front, on the left chest would be a palm-sized league logo, nothing too obtrusive.

I realize that if we ever volunteer for a WFTDA tournament we would be wearing their pink shirts instead of our own, but for regular bouts against other leagues, do you think anyone would have issue with a design like this?
« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 01:13:25 pm by Rogzilla »
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 01:52:36 pm »
Our NSOs used to wear our standard black T-Shirts with the word "Official" on the back.

Personally, I would prefer no league branding, but that's me.
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 02:17:40 pm »
Nope.  Detroit was one of the first leagues I saw who began the practice of custom, standardized NSO shirts.  Cincinnati started this practice this year as well.

There's an informal norm that tends to frown upon team/league logo shirts - which is part of what led to NSO crews designing their own.  Not everyone wears pink save for tournament play. 
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2010, 02:20:24 am »
Our NSOs wear black tshirts which say NSO on the front, and either "Derby Staff" or their derby name on the back if they are dedicated NSO crew.
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2010, 07:10:50 am »
Our NSOs wear black T-shirts with the league logo on the front, and the word OFFICIAL on the back, with their derby name underneath.  If the printer hasn't finished their shirt by the time they work their first bout, they are asked to wear a plain black shirt.  This is how it's been done for a few years.  All of the refs have one of these shirts as well, in case we are needed in an NSO role for a bout. 

If it were up to me and the league had a bottomless pit of money, we'd have separate ones for interleague season that are collared and have the WFTDA patch on the front (still with OFFICIAL and derby name on the back). 

I like your idea of a smaller league logo on the front, Rogzilla, but I'd go with "official" over "NSO" because fans have no idea what NSO means. 
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2010, 01:00:04 pm »
We don't use our league logo on our NSO shirts, because we want to appear uniform and impartial.  We are NWA NSOs, we are WFTDA NSOs.  I think next season we'll look at getting patches for our dedicated NSOs.  That's a good idea.
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2010, 04:30:13 pm »
We bought grey and black police duty shirts for our NSOs this year (our ref squad is the 19th Wardens).  I found patches that look a bit like a militarized version of our league logo, and the full-time NSOs have their names on the back.  We're considering picking up patches of the ref squad logo and putting them on the sleeves.
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2010, 07:27:13 pm »
Our standard practice is to have NSOs wear non-league-affiliated black shirts. It's simple, and it doesn't require people who don't NSO regularly to buy special shirts. We've never had a problem with them being mistaken for crowd members, or with anyone not taking them seriously. Might not work for everyone, but it works for us.
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2010, 09:49:54 pm »
The rules tend to be on the vague side on this stuff, sometimes they're worded as suggestions (with the words "strongly encouraged"). I believe the intent is to get people pointed in the right direction while not coming out and forcing leagues in that direction when their local traditions and purchases might have gone in a different direction.

"9.4.2.1 Non-Skating Officials are strongly encouraged to dress in an un-obtrusive
uniform differentiating themselves from Referees."

What this means is that there is no hard and fast ban upon NSOs in ref shirts. The rules pretty clearly indicate it's not a preferred practice. There's also no ban on NSOs wearing camouflage, plaid or leopardskin pants (I used to wear some disgustingly tight ones), garish disco shirts, vintage suit jackets with shoulder pads, fezzes, Mickey Mouse hats, propeller beanies, skating helmets with viking horns, etc.

My thinking is that even with the required pink shirts (NSOs) and black shirts (stats) for tournaments, beyond using those as simple identifiers that nobody is going begrudge someone wearing their trademark headgear, fluorescent makeup or interesting shoes.

At some point down the road, they could change this a bit? Sometimes things stated as a suggestion now become a hard/fast requirement later on. I'm going to think this isn't one of those.

Put simply, unless something is really impacting the game or its public perception negatively, WFTDA tends to err on the side of allowing leagues and volunteers maximum flexibility.

There's no rules disallowing "sexy ref" Halloween costumes, nor stripes that look "non-standard." A referee could wear a zebra-striped shirt or dress. There's no rule banning this (if they're black and white). IMO there doesn't need to be one, either.

Every rules change that the Rules Committee drafts has to pass a vote of the reps from member leagues that are eligible to vote. Changes to these kinds of rules have a fairly marginal positive impact on the game, but could cause some leagues and individual volunteers not to be able to use some uniforms and get-ups that they've invested their money into. As such, I wouldn't expect much to happen in that direction.
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2010, 05:23:09 pm »
As Poobah stated there is no "rule" just as their isn't a rule that Referee's must wear stripes, its only suggested that it be stripes.

However, that is a league decision for the most part.

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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2010, 07:23:14 pm »
As Poobah stated there is no "rule" just as their isn't a rule that Referee's must wear stripes, its only suggested that it be stripes.

However, that is a league decision for the most part.


If I had my druthers, we'd all dress like Italian soccer refs.  ;D



Seriously, though, while I'm not a big fan of baby pink, I do see a point in standardizing NSO uniforms for interleague play. Think of how it would look and how confusing it would be if three refs from League 1 wore red soccer ref shirts, three refs from League 2 wore yellow ref shirts, and the League 3 ref who rounded out the roster brought a black and white shirt. No one would know what was going on. The same applies for NSOs. At an interleague or tournament bout, where NSOs may come from several places, not everyone may know who they are right off the bat, and that can be an issue when it comes to things like finding them before a bout or at halftime.

More pragmatically speaking, being able to identify people as NSOs would be really good in venues that are bathroom-challenged. Etiquette usually dictates that skaters and officials get to go to the front of the line, as they are on a tight timeline, and most people will yield way to anyone in a team uniform or ref shirt without blinking an eye. Unless they're in uniform, NSOs are not likely to get the same courtesy, even though they have the same time constraints. They look like anyone else, and sometimes people might assume that they're just being d-bags. While I've never had it happen to me, I've heard of it happening to others.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2010, 07:46:26 pm by DayGlo Divine »
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2010, 11:11:58 pm »
I'd wear Italian soccer yellow for you anytime DG!

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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2010, 01:17:32 am »
The Rubber City Roller Girls have their NSO's wear safety yellow tee shirts with NSO on the back.  It works quite well as they are very easy to pick out of a crowd.
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2010, 03:17:11 pm »
Our NSO's in Dixie wear dark grey shirts with "Bout Official" on the back.  It gives our crew a uniform & easy to find look. Very, very helpful during our annual tourney. If we're short on NSO shirts, they wear a plain dark grey or black shirt.

We don't allow them to wear any schwagg for the league(s) participating in a bout that day.
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Re: NSO shirts?
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010, 01:51:31 am »
We have Black and Grey Bowling shirts with our names on the back. Visitors are encouraged to wear plain black.  Also since we are an apprentice league, we decided to go for apprentice green shirts with the word Official on the back.
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