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Ref only policy revisited
« on: July 26, 2010, 07:17:01 pm »
So Zebra Huddle has been around for about 18 months now. I feel it's time to re-evaluate some policies. I want to start with the ref only section.

Is the idea of a ref only section unnecessary or outdated?
Is the ref only section essential for you?
Should certain section be moved to or from the ref only section?

Give me your thoughts and reasoning for your opinions. If you have related ideas, feel free to present them here.

This discussion is most definitely not limited to referees.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2010, 07:24:24 pm »
No discussion currently in "ref only" should be moved out.

I suspect people have posted things their under the reasonable assumption that things there will only be seen by refs.

However, I think considering there are so many other "rules related to strategy" discussions in places where everyone can see. Strategy is no reason to keep a ref only section.

Also since so many Zebra Huddle refs are ALSO coaches... we're simply feeding those coaches strategy ideas... and no other coaches.

To sum up my opinions on the issue.

I think we should have ref-only archives, and continued conversation on those topics.

Also I think there should continue to be a ref-only section, with just one board... for whatever refs want to talk about that would be "ref" only.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2010, 07:57:56 pm »
To be clear... Even if a decision is made to make all sections public, the current ref-only posts will be kept in a ref-only archive (which would be read-only, so no further posts could be made). There has been a reasonable assumption that those posts were to be viewed only by referees and I have no intention of violating that.
It was for the same reason that when users could start to view their own stats sheet that I eliminated the previous reasons for grand slams and majors, because those people had assumed those reasons were private.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2010, 10:15:46 pm »
I'd second a consolidation of the stripes-only zone to one area.

Then again, it's your house, and you can decorate it and renovate as you see fit.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2010, 10:17:35 pm »
I also think things being moved by moderators (without the request of the poster) is unnecessary.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 10:24:11 pm »
I like that we have ref-only sections, and think it should stay that way.  The need for ref-only safe space is in no way outdated.  Yes, some coaches who do double duty will be able to see those discussions, but that's not reason enough to abandon the idea.  Revealing strategy is only part of the reason for ref-only space; the other part is feeling safe to ask questions, request clarification, and look for support where skaters can't see it, so we don't feel pressure to be perfect and all-knowing.  Zebra Huddle has been an incredible learning resource for lots of refs, and I'd hate to see anyone ask less questions for fear appearing vulnerable.  

A small change I would like to see is more member groups.  Currently if a member is not a Referee, their member group stays "Newbie," correct?  I think it would be useful to designate skaters, NSOs, coaches, etc.  These folks shouldn't have to explain their role every time they make a post.  (I know that adds time and energy on the administration end, but as Referee Verifier, I'd be happy to add it to my duties.  I also bet it would be easy to get another volunteer to handle changing these folks' member groups).  
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 10:34:53 pm »
Currently if a member is not a Referee, their member group stays "Newbie," correct?

Newbie is based on number of posts. That changes over time. Newly verified referees are normally still "newbies" according to the system.
I like your idea and will be thinking of ways to potentially implement it with minimal maintenance required.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 11:51:39 pm »
I like that we have ref-only sections, and think it should stay that way.  The need for ref-only safe space is in no way outdated.  Yes, some coaches who do double duty will be able to see those discussions, but that's not reason enough to abandon the idea.  Revealing strategy is only part of the reason for ref-only space; the other part is feeling safe to ask questions, request clarification, and look for support where skaters can't see it, so we don't feel pressure to be perfect and all-knowing.  Zebra Huddle has been an incredible learning resource for lots of refs, and I'd hate to see anyone ask less questions for fear appearing vulnerable.   

i agree with stego

i find the ref-only area useful
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 01:59:30 am »
I got nothin' to hide outside of a 7-day bender in Oaxaca, Mexico.

What kind of discussions necessitate a 'safe space'?

EDIT: I don't know that I agree with the pressure to be 'perfect and all-knowing,' primarily because I know I'm not.  The lot of us could deal with much more humility and willingness in general - but that's an elephant in the room that belongs in another thread altogether.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 02:01:38 am by Professor Murder »
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 02:02:56 am »
Refs asking for advice about dealing with leagues that they feel may be doing them wrong somehow...

things of the sort...
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 02:31:50 am »
indeed
or perhaps even asking about issues in dealing with one's own league

it's not about hiding... i got nothing to hide either

i think a ref only area allows things that shouldn't be public to still be asked/discussed
it allows some dicussions to be a little more... discrete
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 02:33:32 am by mick hawkins »
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 03:03:33 am »
Concur with JoeXCore about advice with leagues and one board.  Also, I like the ref only section for sharing video clips.  Bouts are public events so I'm not obligated to be discrete sharing video.  However, having the ref-only section potentially saves me from flak I might otherwise get.  Besides, since it's "by the skaters for the skaters", I simply prefer being discrete when showing their "transgressions."
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 02:01:25 pm by Bishop »
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2010, 01:05:27 pm »
Agree with Bishop.

I've been putting together penalty reels for ref training and I'm having to be sensitive to whose penalties are being shown.

Another point, a bout or six ago (being vague) I had a strong discussion with the Head Ref during a bout and I was going to post about it and ask if there were better ways I could have handled it.

Posting that (more) publicly could be seen as dramafull.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 01:41:28 pm »
As Derby evolves and more newer leagues spring up, there are often 'league drama' that we know since we are the Refs and its Skater Owned Skater Operated, we should keep our nose out of it. However often there are things that we can't help but question or seek help from other veteran referee's about.

The Ref Only area allows us a small space to carve out for "us" in the skaters world here on ZH where we can pick the brains of over refs who've been there and done that, and risk less drama from our home leagues for posting even the vaguest questions about "How does your league handle XXXX?"

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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 04:11:57 pm »
Here is my $.02.... (on my very first post!)

I like that I can go to the ref only section, read the questions being asked and having only refs answer them.  I've been on other boards where just any ole Joe Schmoe is allowed to throw in their input, while it sometimes can be valuable, it isn't always.  

As for me being the FNG, it's hard enough sometimes to wade through the threads to find the correct answer or the one that has the approval from the majority of you all, to throw in comments here and there from others that might not know the rules as well or have any reffing experience would be a bit much.  

Thanks for reading,
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P.S. Wanted to add that I don't think skaters or anyone who isn't a ref is an idiot who doesn't know the rules.  Hopefully everyone understands what I'm trying to say. 
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 04:33:01 pm by NormaLeighLucid »

 

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