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Offline judge jammin

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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2010, 09:08:27 pm »
How do you seperate the skaters that are refs also?

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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2010, 09:08:50 pm »
Right now, we don't.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2010, 09:13:25 pm »
Nor do you intend to? There's some separation I'm against.

You know what would be nice... a message board for WFTDA AP refs.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2010, 09:25:27 pm »
Nor do you intend to?

I don't know. It's one thing to discuss. I'm trying to figure out what works, what doesn't work and how to fix the latter.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2010, 09:27:40 pm »
Would that include people that play mens derby? etc
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2010, 09:29:00 pm »
I think ( insert My humble opinion), Is that things are they are work pretty well right now Major. Your site provides a great resource and number of opinions to both Refs, Skaters and Coaches. Its the very first website I suggest to incoming skaters/refs/coaches who are new to the sport; followed shortly by Skatelog and then DerbyNewsNetwork telling them to get on all 3.

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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2010, 10:35:26 pm »
Right now, we don't.

Therein lies the rub, and, I suppose, my "I ain't got nothin' to hide" claim.

I don't see internet forums, even this one, as an acceptable place for some topics of discussion.  I know I found myself grumbling a lot in recent months at a thread that kept reappearing that asked about people who are fed up (with their league, I think).  The topic had long since been rendered useless and instead became an awkward combination of jokey-fun-times meets referee therapy sessions geared around one person.  If that works for someone, fine, but I don't see anything useful in it for referees in general (precisely because it's focused on one person's experience).  That's the kind of conversation that is best suited for private messages, emails, etc.  It's also a misunderstanding and a misuse of "refs only" in my opinion.

I frankly have never paid attention to what discussions are "refs only" or not.  So no harm, no foul, I reckon.  But I would argue that I don't believe that we need to be so insular for its own sake, and that we should better identify the kinds of topics - if any - that should be "ref only" as well of those that should be "I'ma take this one to email because it's a bit personal for even this section."
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2010, 01:17:53 am »
I think another issue has to be considered.
If a discussion on the general rules board reaches a point where the rules question leads into possible strategy ideas. Should that then be stopped and moved to the Ref's only section? perhaps with a little sumation of the question and current differing opinions rather than moving the whole discussion.
This may be a little extra work but might be benificial in bringing an important / difficult issue into focus and allowing the discussion of the rule and how it may effect strategic play and how we ref's then react and rule on those plays in a unanimous way.

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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2010, 01:20:15 am »
I think another issue has to be considered.
If a discussion on the general rules board reaches a point where the rules question leads into possible strategy ideas. Should that then be stopped and moved to the Ref's only section? perhaps with a little sumation of the question and current differing opinions rather than moving the whole discussion.
This may be a little extra work but might be benificial in bringing an important / difficult issue into focus and allowing the discussion of the rule and how it may effect strategic play and how we ref's then react and rule on those plays in a unanimous way.

I believe there is no point in doing that as long as there are
skater/refs
caoch/refs

I also think it's a bad idea to put limits on the people in those categories
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2010, 02:25:33 am »
Talking about strategy in a ref only section seems a bit absurd to me anyway. Why should officials talk about strategy?
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2010, 02:29:37 am »
Talking about strategy in a ref only section seems a bit absurd to me anyway. Why should officials talk about strategy?

i think that evolved from rules questions that, when answered, uncovered a potential gameplay strategy

But I would argue that I don't believe that we need to be so insular for its own sake, and that we should better identify the kinds of topics - if any - that should be "ref only" as well of those that should be "I'ma take this one to email because it's a bit personal for even this section."

good point
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2010, 02:32:39 am »
Talking about strategy in a ref only section seems a bit absurd to me anyway. Why should officials talk about strategy?

To better discuss to to officiate said strategy.
Be ready to recognize it when it comes up.

example there are different methods for reffing "slow pack" as compared to "fast pack"

It's impossible to discuss certain situations without mentioning things that can be used as effective strategies. It has been policy on this board that if things are brought up in a way that teams may use what is discussed as strategy it has been moved to the "ref only" section. There only coaches and skaters can't see it... unless they're also refs.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2010, 04:42:31 am »
To better discuss to to officiate said strategy.
Be ready to recognize it when it comes up.

Hear hear!

To be able to put yourself into the correct position for properly observing the action, you must recognize the situation rapidly as it is developing. Knot helped reinforce this for me at Oh-con.
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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2010, 01:27:28 pm »
And because sometimes the Strategy is valid game play, and in the past there have been some referees who are quick to penalize strategy when all actuality it was legal per the rule book, just not something they were familiar or comfortable with.

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Re: Ref only policy revisited
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2010, 01:41:25 pm »
Perhaps it's the verbiage the bothers me then. "Officiating in relation to gameplay" or something similar is a different animal than "Officiating and strategy".
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