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Offline Major Wood

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NSO quota
« on: July 30, 2010, 03:03:50 pm »
Nashville is trying to establish a quota system for NSOs. Do any of you have existing quota systems for NSOs? If so, how is it structured? What are the strengths and weaknesses?
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 03:06:49 pm »
I have no idea what you're talking about. Could you please explain?
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2010, 03:55:38 pm »
i second that motion  :)
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2010, 04:20:30 pm »
Similar to skater quota. Make X number of practices to be eligible to work a bout. That kind of thing.
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2010, 04:28:21 pm »
Wow... we hope to get potential NSOs to one practice...
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2010, 04:29:52 pm »
You mean your league doesn't give you 3 NSO's 5 minutes before the bout and says "How many more do you need?"

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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2010, 04:37:55 pm »
It's a great problem to have  ;D

I just moved from a league which serviced 23 NSOs and 7 referees per bout to a league with 1 NSO.

I'm building everything from the ground up again.

Get some of your NSOs doing stats duty.  Surely you can't have 23 of them!!?!??!
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2010, 04:39:48 pm »
Currently we don't have an official requirement for NSOs, only skating refs. But attendance is taken into consideration when assigning positions for bouts.
Right now our NSOs come at least once per week to train and run a scrimmage practice, with some NSOs showing up twice per week depending on the scrimmage schedule set by the head coach.
We haven't had a need for a quota but if we did it would likely be 4 practices per month, and would probably only cover certain positions such as penalty tracking, scorekeeping, jammer penalty timing, and not outside white board.

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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2010, 05:52:00 pm »
Right now, we don't have enough NSOs to really impose a quota.  I ask that NSOs doing penalty tracking, penalty box, score, jam timing, and lineup show up to at least one of our weekly scrimmages in the month before a bout.  I try not to slot anyone in penalty tracking or scorekeeping who hasn't gone through at bare minimum 2-3 scrimmages.  We have a dedicated penalty box supervisor, and have trained up an assistant. 

Showing up at regular practices is fairly useless, as the skaters just do drills, thus leaving the NSOs looking on with no real practical reason to be there. 
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2010, 07:40:33 pm »
Thank you Seer and Gravity.
I'm still looking to see if anyone has a set policy. Lets try to keep the discussion to the question asked, not how it's hard to believe that a league needs such a policy. Thanks.
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2010, 02:22:33 am »
Charm City does not have NSO attendance requirements, but the full-time NSOs take it upon themselves to attend as many scrimmages as they can, and they usually meet or exceed the ref attendance requirements.
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2010, 02:26:32 am »
NWA does not have any officiating practice requirements.  Only the refs come to practice, and it's optional.  NSOs are welcome at any practice, but none ever come.  Usually our NSO training consists of them showing up an hour before the bout to be trained in their position :(.  Luckily, many of them are repeat offenders, so we end up with a fairly well trained staff.
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2010, 02:40:07 am »
as a league requirment refs and nso's need to make 4 trainings per month.
we dont have dues as a lump sum, but each training $3 goes to the league, so this requirment is about supporting our league.

for skating refs you also need 4 trainings in the 4 weeks before a bout to ref .
we have have 13 refs and 3 permanent nso's.
refs have been unable too skate due to attendance this year, and have nso'd
we are looking into the 4 trainings in th 4 weeks for the nso's next season as our numbers will probably swell a bit.
at this stage there is nothing in place, but we havent really needed anything, the nso's come to regular scrimmage nights to hone their crafts and help newbies start out(refs and skaters roped into fill spots at bouts).
usually most of the nso's for a bout are refs that have excellent attendance(often better than the skaters)

hope this helps
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2010, 07:33:28 am »
Ref attendance requirements don't make a whole lot of sense to me. Most of the refs my league(s) deal with ref for multiple leagues. So either they practice with many leagues... and ref a lot of bouts... and are good enough to ref bouts that I staff, or they don't and they're not. I figure it's a job that needs to be done, and done well. If home refs aren't up to the task, I get someone else to do it.

I've worked with refs where it seemed like no many how many practices they made they weren't good enough. Those some "refs" (somewhat understandably) have gotten angry when I pulled someone from the crowd that completely quit reffing a month or two before to ref a bout, even though the home ref had made every practice for the last six months.\

But I guess you could count 3+ bouts a month and practices with multiple leagues as an attendance requirement.
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Re: NSO quota
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2010, 09:36:19 am »
Currently in place we have a bronze/silver/gold star tiered training system for our refs.  Bronze is basic skills and rules knowledge.  Part of moving from bronze to silver is holding bronze for at least 1 month and reffing 4 full scrimmages at the bronze level.  Moving from silver to gold is holding silver for at least 2 months, reffing 10 full scrimmages at silver and reffing at least 1 full bout.

Bronze - Scrimmage ref.
Silver - Intraleague ref.
Gold - Interleague ref.

Probably the closest thing we have to what you're wondering about.  We'd love to require NSOing x scrimmages/bouts but at this point we have 8 refs on the roster so we are all generally skating on scrimmage day.  Once we get a few more, we will probably implement "NSO 3 scrimmages and 1 bout to move to Silver" etc.
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