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Offline JimmyRage

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Fourth Minor - Verbalize Last Minor?
« on: August 19, 2010, 06:11:00 pm »
It's a habit of mine that whenever I send a skater to the box for their fourth minor I tell them what it's for (ex. *Whistle* Black 21, Fourth Minor, Last One Cut). Sometimes I just whistle them off if things are going so fast I can't get what the last minor was though (if I'm a pack ref).

Does anybody else do this? Should I even bother in the first place?
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Re: Fourth Minor - Verbalize Last Minor?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2010, 08:32:23 pm »

I am a great fan of giving skaters more information but in this case I don't think I would.

When you call a major:
Whistle -> Color, Number, Penalty, finger.

If you do the same with 4 minors:
Whistle -> Color, Number, penalty, 4 fingers.

My concern would be that skaters would misinterpret the last minor penalty you gave them as a major penalty.  When packed with adrenaline skaters will frequently parse the arm movement more than the 1 vs 4 fingers in the hand signal.  After all, how frequently do we still see skaters going to the box when we give them the "Go to Bench" hand signal and verbally communicate such?

I'm not sure that knowing the last minor penalty (effectively, the last 1/4 of their rule infraction) is valuable enough to risk the mis-communication.

I very much commend you however in going out of your way to try and communicate clearly with skaters.

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Re: Fourth Minor - Verbalize Last Minor?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2010, 10:27:05 pm »
My way of handling it..(assuming jam ref for ease and purpose of already knowing jammer is on 3 minors)

Jammer sitting with 3 minors makes a minor elbow.

(Whistle) "Black 231, Minor Elbow..Thats 4" Along with the Elbow signal and the 4 fingers direction off track.

That way they know 1. They are being sent off Track ( Whistle +the 4) They know its for a minor penalty, that was their fourth.

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Re: Fourth Minor - Verbalize Last Minor?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2010, 06:24:51 am »
I call the last minor, then blow the whistle and send them off for four, is that wrong?
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Re: Fourth Minor - Verbalize Last Minor?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2010, 06:30:30 am »
I call the last minor, then blow the whistle and send them off for four, is that wrong?

sometimes you wont know it's the 4th minor straight away
so call the penalty... then call the 4th if you're told

i think the idea though is to send to the box as soon as practicable
« Last Edit: August 20, 2010, 06:42:59 am by mick hawkins »
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Re: Fourth Minor - Verbalize Last Minor?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2010, 02:21:46 pm »
It's easiest if you're jam reffing and check the inside board before the jam.  When my jammer has three I note it mentally.  First minor on the jam, I call the minor and wave her off for the fourth immediately there after.  It makes the communication easy and more understandable for the skater...
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