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2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« on: October 19, 2010, 02:19:35 am »
When I first decided to referee, I found the 2008 document for Ref min. skills

Yet of late, my searches for this, or an updated version of this file, have come up empty.

Does anyone know if there is a update/revision, or an active link in the works?
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Re: 2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2010, 02:20:25 am »
Never heard of it.
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Re: 2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2010, 02:33:24 am »
When I first decided to referee, I found the 2008 document for Ref min. skills

Yet of late, my searches for this, or an updated version of this file, have come up empty.

Does anyone know if there is a update/revision, or an active link in the works?


From my copy of a hard-copy...

Document titled: WFTDA Referee Performance Evaluation
subtitled: Skating Skills

Its a lil' hard to rmake out, but I think it reads:
 "Rev. B Effective January 30, 2008"

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Re: 2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2010, 02:36:32 am »
That's not a minimum skills list.
That is the skating skills test for WFTDA referee certification. The highest levels of officiating.
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Re: 2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 02:43:36 am »
When I first decided to referee, I found the 2008 document for Ref min. skills

Yet of late, my searches for this, or an updated version of this file, have come up empty.

Does anyone know if there is a update/revision, or an active link in the works?


From my copy of a hard-copy...

Document titled: WFTDA Referee Performance Evaluation
subtitled: Skating Skills

Its a lil' hard to rmake out, but I think it reads:
 "Rev. B Effective January 30, 2008"



Perhaps you're looking for the Referee Skating Skills Evalution?

It's part of the WFTDA Referee Certification requirements. 

... And what Joe said.  FWIW, we at RTR use Appendix A: WFTDA Minimum Skill Requirements to determine referee skating skill readiness for officiating bouts. 
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Re: 2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 09:08:11 am »
Since I heard that several times from refs in training:

There is no WFTDA minimum skills test for referees!

There is a skills test for refs which is (as stated before) part of the requirements for a certification. You do not need a WFTDA certification to work as referee.

However some (or most) leagues make it a requirement for referees to pass the skater's minimum skills test in order to work as skating referee.
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Re: 2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2010, 05:26:54 pm »
However some (or most) leagues make it a requirement for referees to pass the skater's minimum skills test in order to work as skating referee.

I've made that one of the bare-minimum ref requirements for my league.

Refs (IMO) must have the same, if not far better, skating skills in comparison to the skaters that they are officiating for. Also I'm really tired of hearing "oh you didn't make tryouts to skate? go sign up to ref" (grr).

I skate in a men's league and I ref for a women's league. My skating is quite a few notches "harder" when I ref.
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Re: 2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 07:57:27 pm »
Since I heard that several times from refs in training:

There is no WFTDA minimum skills test for referees!

There is a skills test for refs which is (as stated before) part of the requirements for a certification. You do not need a WFTDA certification to work as referee.

However some (or most) leagues make it a requirement for referees to pass the skater's minimum skills test in order to work as skating referee. 

Even for leagues that do not have either test as a requirement for referees (ours currently doesn't, but I suspect we will in the near future), I think that both are a very good baseline to judge oneself on.  I like having a list that I can look at, and check off, knowing that I can do X, Y or Z skill.  Sure, there are skills that are not "tested" on either test, but it's a good place to start to measure one's own skills.

I would think that anyone that is interested in being a skating referee would be at least be somewhat interested in becoming proficient in skating.  If nothing else it keeps you safe.  Not to mention that if you can't keep up with the action on the track, if you're constantly looking down at your skates or looking around you to maintain your balance, etc, then you're doing a disservice to the skaters on the track that are depending on you to keep the game clean.

So while each league absolutely can determine what it's refs must or must not do, I would hope that every individual ref would have a desire to continually improve their skating skills and figure out a goal to get that done.

As a short anecdote, I've only been skating for 4 months now and ref'd my first bout a week and a half ago (OPR).  I recall about 2 months in being "itchy" to start reff'ing.  I knew the rules (or so I thought, heh... there is definitely a different between reading the rules and applying them, especially in the .367 seconds that you have in the bout when it occurs).  I had bought my usars.  I had a whistle.  A whistle!!!  I was ready!  But alas, my HREF told me that I lacked the skating control, and until I had that I had to wait.  Fast forward to today, I can pass the ref skating skills test (not "officially," but we've set up unofficial courses), and while I've not been given the skater's skills test directly, I've done enough components of it during various practices that I am confident that I will pass it when I take it during our upcoming off-season.  My skating skill has improved quite a bit, as has my stopping and slowing down.  Having now ref'd my first bout, I can unequivocally say that my HREF was correct when I was told I had to wait.  Had I skated a bout 2 months ago I would have been a danger to myself, a danger to the people in the suicide seats, and I would have not been able to focus all of my attention to the ladies on the track which is what they deserve of me.

So in short (brevity is not one of my strong points...), I don't think we need to be too wrapped up in what is or isn't required.  Our personal goals ought to raise the bar higher than WFTDA has put out there.  After all, it's "minimum" for a reason; we should strive for greater things.
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Re: 2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2010, 02:07:51 am »
This season, RSRD accumulated enough referees to make it worth our while to create a code of conduct and standards to be met. In the next month, all 6 (6!) of us will take rules and skating skills tests. I'm pretty excited to be a referee with my league at this point in time  :D
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Re: 2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 05:02:19 am »
Actually, I am grateful for the reminder that our league needs to do a ref skills test ASAP.

As a 'veteran' referee (loosely termed) who has jam reffed for far too long (and very much agreed it was another ref's turn to jam ref), I was asked what I wanted to do for our last bout and I wanted IPR to test my pack reffing skills having not done it much at practice -- an exciting challenge for someone used to focusing only on one player at a time. I ended up giving it up to another ref in my league (great ref, but needs work on skating skills) because he felt most comfy as IPR and really wanted that position. So outside I went. Not a big deal because it was actually fun and dare I say relaxing on the outside but I agree that refs should be proficient skaters so we can all be well-rounded in our duties.

Knowing this is a public forum, if the IPR referenced above is on here I <3 you and I just want us all to be flexible and as good as we can be. :D

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Re: 2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2010, 04:21:13 pm »
Knowing this is a public forum, if the IPR referenced above is on here I <3 you and I just want us all to be flexible and as good as we can be.

Very nice, and I agree wholeheartedly.  I've heard talk of refs showing up for bouts and being very inflexible (ie., "I'm a jam ref!" or "I don't OPR!").  Thankfully I've yet to experience that and have had the privilege of working with some excellent ref crews.  I figure, I'm there to help.  If that entails me putting on skates and doing a position that the HREF needs me to do, then I'll do that to the best of my ability.  If it means taking my skates off, holding a clipboard, and doing NSO work, then I'll do that as well as I can.  I'm there because I like derby, and want to be supportive.  And it stands to reason that if we are all flexible, knowledgeable, and work on our skating skills, that it makes the HREF's job that much easier as they have more options and can place the best people for the positions.  And this makes the bout better which, in the end, is good for derby.
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Re: 2008 WFTDA Referee Minimal Skills?
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2010, 03:51:06 am »
Thanks for clearing this one up, folks

This will certainly help to train up our existing and future refs
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