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Offline Ballistic Whistle

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2009, 09:21:37 pm »
Yeah, but what about those moments when you're out on the lash arguing rules with other refs?

(Don't pretend like it never happens)

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2009, 09:33:57 pm »
Yeah, but what about those moments when you're out on the lash arguing rules with other refs?

(Don't pretend like it never happens)

I keep a printout of the ruleset in one of these, along with blank score and penalty sheets, abbreviation sheets, and so on. When someone actually tried to argue rules with me at an afterparty, I started bringing it with me. (I won that argument without the rules in hand, though; refs who make up their own rules based on having read the 1.0 ruleset once 2 years ago are pretty easy to shoot down.)
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2009, 09:37:12 pm »
Yeah, but what about those moments when you're out on the lash arguing rules with other refs?

(Don't pretend like it never happens)

"Fancy strolling along?" Dude I have GOT to move to London if that's how you talk over there.

And Dayglo- Wood and I keep our rules clean and dry in sheet protectors in notebooks :) I have tabs for Rules Clarifs and some super helpful threads from this forum as well. I love being tidy.
Hey look, a search function! Right up there! No on the left

Perhaps we should all spend a little more time reading and a little less time making shit up.

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2009, 10:30:33 pm »
I now have the rules in a PDF on my phone. It's really slow to scroll through though.
Whenever the new ruleset is released, I intend to make myself a website that will be an easily browsable (by phone or otherwise) rules page.
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2009, 10:45:49 pm »
I made the rules into a Word Doc if you'd like them.

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2009, 12:53:58 pm »
I'm a bit of an IP junkie I'm afraid, purely because of the lack of the "what you did was wrong but I can't specify a rule" rule.


If you can't specify a rule, how do you know what she did was wrong?  Can you give an example?

Like the Illegal Star Pass thread we had not long ago here, where there isn't a written rule about a non-pivot blocker putting on the jammer panty, but it is blatently wrong. I was tempted to call it an IP major for an illegal uniform - as blockers are specified in the rules not to wear helmet panties. There isn't a written rule for "blocker being an idiot" but it needs punishing as it has major game impact.

Another example is Darkjester's point above, stopping to block. The rules say a skater must be skating or stepping to block, but there isn't a specific penalty written for when they break that rule.
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2009, 02:03:12 pm »
I think stopping to block would not fall under IP, as it directly affects another skater. Stopping to block is a dangerous maneuver, which makes me think it should be gross misconduct. Sort of in the same vein as blocking with both feet off the ground.
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2009, 06:19:03 pm »
On a very similar note, how do you guys feel about the 180 block? i.e. blocker spins 180 into legal target zone of a blocker/jammer behind her. As long as she immediately skates backwards, she's not skating clockwise to block. The force of the hit would be very great, like a spinning kick in karate. I have never seen this but have heard it talked about. Technically legal but I feel its a bit excessive. Thoughts?
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2009, 06:32:06 pm »
This isn't codified in the rules, but the usual litmus test for a clockwise skating block is the direction of the moving skates as the block proceeds -- do they appear to cross a line perpendicular to forward, counterclockwise skating? In this case, it sounds like the skates would cross such a line, albeit briefly, as a spinning block occurs.

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2011, 05:05:28 am »
I now have the rules in a PDF on my phone. It's really slow to scroll through though.
Whenever the new ruleset is released, I intend to make myself a website that will be an easily browsable (by phone or otherwise) rules page.

I have it on my phone and it scrolls quickly but it took a few steps:
I selected all in the WFTDA pdf
- then pasted it into a Word doc
- in Word i tidied up the formatting (funny spacing from the pdf paste)
- then select all and paste into an email to myself
- on my phone i open the email & select all
- on my phone paste into a notepad doc


Now my phone has a fast scrolling doc, not a slow pdf! Its been great for checking during scrimmaging..  ;D

hope that helps!

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2011, 05:57:50 am »
I think stopping to block would not fall under IP, as it directly affects another skater. Stopping to block is a dangerous maneuver, which makes me think it should be gross misconduct. Sort of in the same vein as blocking with both feet off the ground.

Slow down there buddy.
This is a 3.x series discussion thread.

Blocking while stopped is now explicitly covered in the rules.
This is what I was thinking this call should be versus the OOP
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2011, 01:30:17 am »
So wouldthe correct penalty call be oop or gross misconduct? Seems like I saw in the rules somewhere in the rules  it would be gross misconduct.
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2011, 01:41:22 am »
So wouldthe correct penalty call be oop or gross misconduct? Seems like I saw in the rules somewhere in the rules  it would be gross misconduct.

What exactly are you referring to?  This is an older subject that has been addressed in the current rules. 
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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2011, 09:34:23 am »
On a very similar note, how do you guys feel about the 180 block? i.e. blocker spins 180 into legal target zone of a blocker/jammer behind her. As long as she immediately skates backwards, she's not skating clockwise to block. The force of the hit would be very great, like a spinning kick in karate. I have never seen this but have heard it talked about. Technically legal but I feel its a bit excessive. Thoughts?

I see what your saying here, but if the hit is legal in every way then i can't see a problem with it. I have seen some big hits that were completely legal but i had complaints.
We have to remember that we play a FULL CONTACT sport here and if we start giving penalties for Legal Hard hits then we are gunna start going the same way as Soccer.

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Re: Stopping to Block
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2011, 03:06:41 pm »
On a very similar note, how do you guys feel about the 180 block? i.e. blocker spins 180 into legal target zone of a blocker/jammer behind her. As long as she immediately skates backwards, she's not skating clockwise to block. The force of the hit would be very great, like a spinning kick in karate. I have never seen this but have heard it talked about. Technically legal but I feel its a bit excessive. Thoughts?

I see what your saying here, but if the hit is legal in every way then i can't see a problem with it. I have seen some big hits that were completely legal but i had complaints.
We have to remember that we play a FULL CONTACT sport here and if we start giving penalties for Legal Hard hits then we are gunna start going the same way as Soccer.


This has also been addressed by the rules... Moderators... can we lock this or something?
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