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Offline FNZebra

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10.4.1 and you?
« on: February 21, 2011, 09:48:51 pm »
Splitting this off from the skate checks thread.

[rule]10.4.1 Skaters may not participate in a bout while under the influence of alcohol, narcotics, or illegal drugs.

It may be difficult to determine whether someone you've just met is on narcotics or dangerous drugs, so perhaps all we have to go on is obvious impairment.

With alcohol, we can check their breath, which might indicate prior boozing.

How do you handle 10.4.1 ?

The league closest to my house has saliva strips in the med bag that could be used for a more accurate check than just sniffing breath. The strips run about $5, or so.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2011, 01:28:23 am by FNZebra »
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Re: 10.4.1 and you?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 01:27:01 am »
I've never had to handle it.  I honestly think it's unlikely I ever will.  At this point in derby's evolution, most players take it too seriously to do something like this.  But as I posted earlier, having a drink at some point pre-bout doesn't mean one is drunk.  If I smell what I think might be beer, from a single drink had two hours ago then what?  Alternately if a player drinks and cleans her mouth afterwards, I'd never even know by smell.  I maintain that 10.4.1 is a "I'll know it when I see it" issue and is meant to deal with obvious impairment. 

Making breath tests a part of the pre-bout routine is unnecessarily invasive to people's privacy and most of us are going to be unqualified to make a fair and accurate judgment anyway.  Plus I really don't want to smell bad breath.   

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Re: 10.4.1 and you?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2011, 12:33:38 am »
I would have to agree with Shaun.  I've never personally seen this happen, however I have heard of it.  The individual was dealt with without any kind of rediculous incident.

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Re: 10.4.1 and you?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2011, 03:52:08 am »
I'm thinkin the other skaters would mitigate this before the refs ever had to, (hopefully)

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Re: 10.4.1 and you?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2011, 06:08:18 pm »
I have heard of a skater who did show up with alcohol on her breath and possibly inebriated. The league themselves handled it, disallowing the skater to participate in the bout as well as their own in house/league disciplinary action which wasn't/isn't any of my business as its not related to the league I am HR for.

If however, it appears during the bout that a skater may be inebriated or under the influence of a narcotic or alcohol, or an accusation of such arises. I would recommend a Official Time Out with the Captains. Explain the accusation/appearance, and then discreetly go over to the bench and discuss with the Captain and that skater. If the HR can't determine that the skater is positively under the influence of some sort, game on. If the HR does feel that the skater is under the influence, report it to the Captain and expel the skater. Though I'm not certain if a penalty would apply (box time) or simply telling the skater that she needs to go remove her gear and wait in the staging area.
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Re: 10.4.1 and you?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2011, 10:16:44 am »
If they appeared to be under the influence, but the HR/Captain can't determine this to be the case; sending them to the EMTs might be the best course of action. It may not be an illegal substance (relative to the game) causing the behavior. (Plus, the EMTs are probably better qualified to make the assessment either way.)
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Re: 10.4.1 and you?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2011, 01:58:49 pm »
I'd agree with Doctor Skatan.  The EMTs would make the best assessment.  What if she's diabetic?  I've heard of people acting inebriated and their sugar is just completely out of wack.  Or perhaps you notice her "drunken" behavior after the first jam, and perhaps she fell and hit her head during that jam, but you didn't notice the fall.  I think you would still discuss with the Captain that you are going to talk to the EMTs about their skater, but if you sense a skater is inebriated because of her behavior, it might actually be something else entirely than alcohol and the EMT may be able to discern the cause. 
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