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Offline Hella Paio

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Zebra-Only Bout
« on: November 17, 2011, 11:53:10 am »
I am looking into interest in a ref vs ref bout in New York State and I wonder if anyone feels there would be issues or concerns having this type of event? 

The WFTDA rules state that the skaters need to pass the skills test.  As refs who've passed ref skills, would this be applicable if we did not hit and only positional block?  Or would everyone have to pass the skills test to bout?  If we don't have a WFTDA bout, what would we need?

I've seen that ref-only bouts have been done before > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=425904956172&set=t.1075430998&type=3#!/media/set/?set=a.425904061172.202822.615091172&type=3 > But I honestly don't know what I need to do to get this rolling!  We probably have a bout space, as a doubleheader to a derby bout, so that should be taken care of...

Anything else?

Please!  Any New York referees please take the Zebra Bout survey before 12/20 - I'm trying to figure out if this is even a go!  Thank you.  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/6YZNYS6

Thank you everyone!  ~Hella~

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Re: Zebra-Only Bout
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 01:27:39 pm »
If you wouldn't mind some refs from other states, I would like to participate?

and would be fine with any months after May. Gives me plenty of time to plan. :)
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Offline Stanarchy

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Re: Zebra-Only Bout
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 05:22:18 pm »
replied on the same assumption as Hey Wood.... If NJ refs are welcome...???

Also - is this going to be a co-ed bout?...

Also - our league is not WFTDA, but they play WFTDA ruleset. I am not sure whether or not WFTDA would insure a non-WFTDA bout. I am pretty sure our team is doing it with USARS.

Offline Hella Paio

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Re: Zebra-Only Bout
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2011, 01:58:27 pm »
I'm open to non-NY referees joining us!  I'm glad there is interest outside NY, as well.  :D  Thank you for filling out the survey!  :)  

I was asking the WFTDA question as requested by team captain but I feel we can do this without WFTDA backing.  I was originally looking to butt this up an Assault City bout and make it a double-header, but it looks like we might have a bout to ourselves.  If there's enough interest, maybe we could get a couple bouts going...  A mini-tourney?  I'll message those who leave their contact information when we know for certain what's going on.

Yes, this is co-ed.  Right now, the majority of those who'd like to play are male, but then the majority of derby refs are male.  It is expected.  This is where I wonder about the hitting...
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 02:14:37 pm by Hella Paio »

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Re: Zebra-Only Bout
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2011, 01:14:24 am »
My major concern would be that some refs are also players.  Those people are going to hit a lot harder than the refs who have never competed.  I would either specify that only refs who do not regularly compete can play, or be very clear about what kind of contact is OK and what everyone can expect to be getting themselves into. 
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Re: Zebra-Only Bout
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2011, 05:09:09 pm »
Depending on how many people are interested - we may be able to get a couple of bouts going, so one could be for non-playing wimps like myself (positional blocking only) and another for "playing" refs and be full (or moderate?...) contact. Of course if we decide to go with MODERATE contact, then it becomes a matter of referee discretion, and we all know how that goes...  ::)


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Re: Zebra-Only Bout
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2011, 08:56:00 pm »
Depending on how many people are interested - we may be able to get a couple of bouts going, so one could be for non-playing wimps like myself (positional blocking only) and another for "playing" refs and be full (or moderate?...) contact. Of course if we decide to go with MODERATE contact, then it becomes a matter of referee discretion, and we all know how that goes...  ::)



I personally consider "lite contact" scrimmages to be less safe. The 50% of some is much more than the 50% of others etc.
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Re: Zebra-Only Bout
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2011, 11:20:04 pm »
I have skated in "Ref Bouts" 3 times and Stego and Joe both have valid points.

My first bout there was one "Player" and he let us know he knew what he was doing.  We were beat up pretty bad but we had fun.

Second time was a demo with some hockey players and only the refs knew what they were doing.

Third time I almost got ejected for too many trips to the box.

I would suggest that you require each participant to divulge their level of experience when they apply.  You can let all of the "novices" know how many "ringers" will be on the floor and they can back out if they are concerned about getting hurt.

The light impact issue can be very dangerous regardless if it is men or women.  I have seen scrimages that was supposed to be 50% impact and one skater didn't know and floored another skater who was expecting light hits.
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