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Author Topic: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order  (Read 18424 times)

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Re: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2011, 02:59:20 am »

Cite, please? It's possible that ZH is not the correct forum for a discussion on what constitutes "an alphabetic character", but I bristled at the use of "wonky".

Sorry - fixed.

As for a citation...  Pretty much every discussion I've seen within WFTDA has wound up in some version of "dear god, don't make us have to define alphanumeric as alphanumeric; you get 26 letters and 10 numerals, because that's what alphanumeric means: the alphabet and the numerals".  So your letter choices are: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z.  And yes, the lower case versions of any of those letters are acceptable as long as they meet all other requirements established by Rule 3.7.4.
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Re: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2011, 03:43:28 am »
I would agree with that in that context, yes. If it came up as an issue down the road it would be relatively simple to integrate non-Latin alphabets into a sort; but that would be deviations from a compromise rather than normalizing.

But I think the point out of this is that if it eventually comes up, it's less a problem for Rules and more for PR.
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Re: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2011, 03:53:14 am »
"Alphanumeric" is very specific. Wikipedia article on Alphanumeric

To summarize what the article says: Alphanumeric means A-Z and 0-9. this is 36 characters. If you were going to be case sensitive (which we aren't in derby), it would be 62 characters.
There are no exceptions, no s-sets, no umlauts, etc. The only exception is the underscore character ("_") and that only matters for the perl programming language (possibly some others as well).

I don't think it's a PR problem. It's just what happens when you try to create a sort of international standard.
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Re: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2011, 03:37:12 pm »
That we're discussing the meaning of "alphanumeric" is a good indication that it is ambiguous (because it derived from "alphabet + numbers", where "alphabet" is a language specific set, though dictionary.com says "and, often, special characters, as punctuation marks"), and that stating "modern Latin letters A to Z and digits 0 to 9" instead, would definitely clarify (especially if the rules are translated to another language for non-English speakers)

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Re: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2011, 12:19:37 am »
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Re: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2011, 02:05:15 pm »
Also, depending on software versions, phases of the moon, etc... you may need to "force" something to be text by doing:
="2/11"

I've seen sheets where a skater who was "0.08%" ended up as "0.0008" and "2/11" became "February 11, 2011"



I've allowed 'Non-WFTDA' numbers but advised the skaters and teams pre-bout they were be recorded and verbalized, and written on the arms as per WFTDA standards.  So 2/11 would become 211 and 0.08% would be 008. This makes it MUCH easier on the Officials performing the bout and easier to follow the Best Practices.
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Re: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2011, 04:47:07 pm »
DJ, so as not to confuse anybody, the way I read your post the letters in your examples need to be capitalized otherwise they would in fact not be legal parts of the charter number.

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Re: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2011, 08:14:30 pm »
I think Dj was using caps to make it easier to see and call as it doesnt state anywhere that the letters MUST be capitalized
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Re: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2011, 04:07:05 am »
I think Dj was using caps to make it easier to see and call as it doesnt state anywhere that the letters MUST be capitalized

I think you're right.  Looking back at it, the examples show capitilized letters in the legal charter numbers and lowercase letters where the letters are small and not part of the charter number, but in fact say small and large, never referring to the case of the letters.

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Re: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2011, 12:30:32 pm »
Righto Him!

Sorry if that was confusing at first, my hope was to make it less. mea culpa

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Re: WFTDA IBRF Skater Number Sort Order
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2012, 06:38:37 am »
Every field that you can enter a skater number into in the WFTDA StatsBook has been formatted as text, not General.

What screws things up is that some folks get their rosters on home-made spread sheet docs that are general formatted. They copy/paste in these rosters onto the IBRF tab and it brings the formatting along for the ride. Please don't do that. If you must, paste it in and then select "keep destination format" or do a "Special Paste."

Also note: Known Excel issue that we've not been able to work around means that for whatever reasons, the sheet considers 1, 01, and 001 to be the same numbers. I've dug into the guts of the spreadsheet, and it's formatted text all over every tab. If you've got a 7 and a 007, either do the ' trick or make the leading zero an O instead of a 0. The problem with either workaround is that you have to consistently enter the numbers that way throughout the document. Most particularly on the Lineups tab.

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