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Late to the track
« on: March 24, 2009, 02:30:21 pm »
Firstly, rules relating to not being on the track when the pack whistle goes:

2.4.4.2.1 If a Pivot or Blocker is not on the track when the jam starting whistle blows,
that player will not be permitted to join the jam in progress. No penalty will be
issued.

Scenario: A blocker is not on the track when the whistle goes, however is skating in and is oblivious to the ref's calls to return to the bench, and starts skating with the pack.

Question: What is done about this? Is the skater just yelled/grabbed off the track and the jam allowed to continue as per? Is the skater penalised in any way, as she has not just "not been permitted to join the jam", she has gone on regardless. Would it be grounds to stop the jam as per the "too many skaters" IPs? If so would IP Majors be given out, and to who? Or would this be considered deliberate insubordination and thus dealt with as a Gross Misconduct pen?
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Re: Late to the track
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 02:51:08 pm »
Your statement of her being "oblivious" paints a picture of the situation in my mind that says "no Gross Misconduct".

BTW, are you saying there's 5 blockers now on the track or 4 (just a late one), just to be sure we're all on the same page.
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Re: Late to the track
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 03:02:24 pm »
in that case (a blocker comes too late on the track) does it matter how many there are on the track before? I mean - if a team has only one blocker fielded and another one comes after the whistle they have too many skaters on the track even if there are only two, right?
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Re: Late to the track
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 03:06:14 pm »
What is done about this? Is the skater just yelled/grabbed off the track and the jam allowed to continue as per?

This.  Unless you can't get her off the track, just like too many skaters.  Along with a relevant IP penalty.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2009, 03:08:07 pm by Professor Murder »
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Re: Late to the track
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 03:22:49 pm »
in that case (a blocker comes too late on the track) does it matter how many there are on the track before? I mean - if a team has only one blocker fielded an another one comes after the whistle they have too many skaters on the track even if there are only two, right?

Good point. I just wanted the full picture.
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Re: Late to the track
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2009, 03:32:14 pm »
Cliquework - The correct amount of skaters - just one was too late to be legally admitted to the jam.

Prof M. - So IPs would apply? This was the main point I was asking as there is no precise IP listed for it.
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Re: Late to the track
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Re: Late to the track
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2009, 04:08:52 pm »
Cheers Darkjester, that was the answer I thought would be the case. Hadn't thought about it as an NOTT points point of view though, but it does make a lot of sense!
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Re: Late to the track
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2009, 04:26:01 pm »
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Also important to remember, what follows suit if you are able to pull her off the track with a minor, she is still a NOTT point, even though there is nobody in the box.

Oh yes.. good point... I have to update my ref manual...
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Re: Late to the track
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2009, 06:52:55 pm »
Darkjester - just a thought after reading another topic on here, the IP would in this case go to the late skater rather than the captain/pivot as in the case of the too many skaters IP?
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Re: Late to the track
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2009, 07:17:15 pm »
If you called off the jam prior to the jammer entering the pack and have to assess a major to the late skater, is she then in the box for the next jam and allowed to enter, obviously, after her minute is served? Sounds like it would be a good strategy just to get the jam called off. Instead of being short for a possible two minutes, it is then called off and they are only short for the one minute. Just a thought. 
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Re: Late to the track
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2009, 10:56:16 pm »
Except that while she's in the box for her Major, she's a ghost point for the opposing Jammer, and her team is 1 skater down for an entire minute.

Its only a 'possibility' that the previous Jam would have gone 2 minutes, it could have gone 10 seconds or less depending on if her team was awarded lead jammer and if her jammer called it off immediately.
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Re: Late to the track
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2009, 02:48:57 am »

Also important to remember, what follows suit if you are able to pull her off the track with a minor, she is still a NOTT point, even though there is nobody in the box.


yes - she becomes a NOTT point if the team is playing the jam short - just as there are NOTT points counted any time a team skates short

if you remove a player when there's already a full team in the jam, she doesnt become a NOTT point
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