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Re: Head Ref
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2012, 08:30:07 pm »
Since your white board shows she has 5 majors, she has 5 majors.  That is what has been officially tracked, the penalty box staff don't keep those records.

Penalty tracking sheets are the official record.  Not the white board.  They should match, ideally, but when there is a discrepancy you should defer to the tracker.

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once they hit their 7th major are given 2 minutes in the box because "there's no way they're getting back on the track"

How do you justify a 2 minute penalty?  There is no such thing for a single major penalty.

If the skater's time is less than the time in the jam, the HR can skate to the penalty box and issue the foul out.  The other pack ref should be able to hold the pack for the 20 seconds or so that it takes.
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Re: Head Ref
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2012, 08:49:05 pm »
Penalty tracking sheets are the official record.  Not the white board.  They should match, ideally, but when there is a discrepancy you should defer to the tracker.

My bad, you are correct.  I meant I would defer to the tracker over the box, since the box doesn't always know what the reason the skater was sent for.

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How do you justify a 2 minute penalty?  There is no such thing for a single major penalty.

If the skater's time is less than the time in the jam, the HR can skate to the penalty box and issue the foul out.  The other pack ref should be able to hold the pack for the 20 seconds or so that it takes.


Our HR employs this method to ensure that the skater doesn't get back into the game if they've fouled out.
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Re: Head Ref
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2012, 08:52:00 pm »
Our HR employs this method to ensure that the skater doesn't get back into the game if they've fouled out.

I understand that.  I am asking how it is justified under the rules.

Where does it say we can give a skater 2 minutes in the penalty box for a single major penalty?  Or is he issuing 2 penalties to hold her in the box and, if so, how is that justified?
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Re: Head Ref
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2012, 08:52:37 pm »
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Penalty tracking sheets are the official record.  Not the white board.  They should match, ideally, but when there is a discrepancy you should defer to the tracker.
Thank you.  Know your NSOs - it will save you a world of trouble.  

In practice when I run IWB (which I am embarassingly bad at), I might, say, pick up a penalty from the OWB if both my trackers are with the wrangler and it is obvious the OWB has been signaling for a long freaking time, but I make sure to drop it back with the tracker at the end of the jam.

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Re: Head Ref
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2012, 10:04:38 pm »
I see no real problem in having someone in the box for two minutes as she is out anyway. At least there is no harm done to that particular skater.

However, she is now hogging a seat in the box, so if others are sent off, they will eventually be waved of the box and be able to partake in the jam, while they shouldn't.

So very important for the HR to quickly scoot over to the box and get the girl out of the game, just like Eject Her Later says.

I have seen the Head Ref go over to the girl, have her take off her skates and wait next to the penalty box for the remainder of the jam, as to not interrupt gameplay. I find this a good way to deal with it.

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Re: Head Ref
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2012, 10:26:14 pm »
However, she is now hogging a seat in the box, so if others are sent off, they will eventually be waved of the box and be able to partake in the jam, while they shouldn't.

The seat is occupied, whether the skater is in the seat or has been removed from the game by the HR.  Her team is required to skate short for 1 minute due to the major penalty.  Therefore that seat is occupied for the full 50 seconds*.  If a 2nd skater is occupying the second chair and a 3rd blocker is sent off the track, she should be waived back to the track until the seat is available with regards to penalty time.

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I have seen the Head Ref go over to the girl, have her take off her skates and wait next to the penalty box for the remainder of the jam, as to not interrupt gameplay. I find this a good way to deal with it.

My preference is to either:

1. Handle it between jams (if the penalty time is greater than the time remaining in the jam)
2. Handle it immediately by skating to the penalty box and issuing the foul out.  This requires handing the pack off to the other IPR temporarily.
3. Handle it immediately by calling off the jam under 9.2.6.1.4.

#3 is my last option, but I reserve the right to use it if necessary.  I have never needed to invoke it (not saying I never will... *knock on wood*).

* When the skater would normally be directed to stand at 50 seconds another skater is eligible to be seated.  I see no reason to disallow another skater from arriving at 50 seconds.  If the jam ends and 55 seconds has elapsed on the penalty, the substitute from the bench will enter the box and stand for the remaining 5 seconds.
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Re: Head Ref
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2012, 11:54:35 pm »


I understand that.  I am asking how it is justified under the rules.

Where does it say we can give a skater 2 minutes in the penalty box for a single major penalty?  Or is he issuing 2 penalties to hold her in the box and, if so, how is that justified?

Our HR employs some house rules that are explained in the captains meeting prior to each bout, this is one of them. 
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Re: Head Ref
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2012, 10:18:19 pm »
Thankyou Eject You Later, clear explanation on the proceedings!

I was mostly aiming at that second minute (or remainder of the Jam) and the need to free up the seat then.

 

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