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Offline Professor Murder

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Re: The Late Damned Fourth
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2009, 10:27:33 pm »
Drat!  You two stole my American ethnocentric thunder right from under my feet!
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Re: The Late Damned Fourth
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2009, 11:31:17 pm »
"[Hey Team] Pink, so-and-so has four minors, you're going to need to send a player off."

The example you provided is a warning to the skaters, which is against the rules. Whether you agree with that or like it is neither here nor there.

I am directing a player off the track.  I am not warning them about the number of players that they have fielded. 

sorry bishop, got to disagree with you (and agree with dayglo, again)

by saying "you're going to need to send a player off" is not only warning them about the number of players they have fielded - it's actually telling what they need to do to correct it

that's coaching

as stated earlier - you would direct a player off the track because there's too many when the jam has started. use the "return to your bench" signal and issue an IP minor
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Re: The Late Damned Fourth
« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2009, 02:00:29 pm »
I am well aware of rule 9.2.1.1.3 and I doubt that it was written with handling a fourth minor seconds prior to the start of a jam in mind.  

If there are seconds left, then just call the time out, yell for the player to get to the box, make sure she's going, wait a small but appropriate amount of seconds to let the players on the track realise what has happened, then start the jam regardless. This is how it's done. A small OTO here is not a terrible thing.

9.2.1.1.3 was intended to cover all forms of warning the players that they have too many on the track - it was explicitly voted in to the WFTDA rules by the skaters, because it's what they want.
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Re: The Late Damned Fourth
« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2009, 02:56:43 pm »
best i can offer is that the rules have to be taken as a whole

as jz recently told me... see the forest, not just the trees

[rule]9.2.1.1.3 Referees do not warn teams when too many skaters line up on the track.[/rule]

consider that the wording you refer to in 2.6.4 might (just) apply when the jam needs to be called off due to too many players... and the number of players has to be adjusted
« Last Edit: October 30, 2009, 03:06:05 pm by mick »
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Re: The Late Damned Fourth
« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2009, 03:53:57 pm »
Hmm, I seem to have lost three stat points over the last few days - that's sad.  Not the lost points, mind you, but rather the larger picture of what that seems to indicate.

Although there may not be the intention to stifle discussion that is the affect.

I would really like to see future karma bumps being public.  The anonymous majors with no explaination serves to limit discussion, not support it.
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Re: The Late Damned Fourth
« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2009, 08:12:45 pm »
best i can offer is that the rules have to be taken as a whole

[rule]9.2.1.1.3 Referees do not warn teams when too many skaters line up on the track.[/rule]


Yep. If you have to assemble parts of different rules to argue for a refutation of one simple and clear rule, you are a: overthinking it, and b: missing the point.

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