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Author Topic: Pivot cover enters jam in progress  (Read 3181 times)

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Pivot cover enters jam in progress
« on: October 29, 2012, 11:24:28 pm »
Just confirming the following which happened in a bout I HRed on the weekend.

Both teams are lined up, jam start whistle goes at the same time as white bench manager throws pivot cover towards white skater. Pivot cover lands on the track 2-3 seconds after start whistle goes. White skater picks up the cover and places it on her helmet.

Based on:
[rule]3.6.6 Helmet Covers must be on the player's helmet or in the player's hand before the jam starting whistle. Helmet covers cannot enter a jam in progress.[/rule]
I direct skater to remove cover, skater does so with no hesitation. On the next lap skater throws pivot cover off track to benchie.

Jam runs with no white pivot, ends, I call a quick OTO and general opinion is that there was no impact hence no penalty.

There was a suggestion that [rule]6.13.18 Improper uniform, jewelry, or skates.[/rule] might apply but I made the call not to apply this penalty based on a) skater's immediate removal of cover and b) lack of impact on game.

With a lot of wading through jammer cover discussions I stumbled on this:
In short, if I saw a blocker pull a pivot panty from somewhere other than in her hand at the start of the jam and place it on her helmet, I would instruct her to remove the panty.  If she fails to do this then I would issue an insubordination penalty.

I see this as more or less the same thing as a jam starting and a team bench realizing their jammer is on the track without the star panty and throwing it to her.  I won't issue an Illegal Uniform penalty for this, but simply instruct her to remove the panty (since it wasn't on or in hand at the whistle it can not enter play).

Would anyone have called otherwise?
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Re: Pivot cover enters jam in progress
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 12:14:03 am »
An other option is to not instruct the blocker to do anything with a cover that's entered mid-jam and treat her like the blocker she is for the remainder of the jam.

But, yes, avoid looking for penalties to apply for easy-to-correct problems.
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Re: Pivot cover enters jam in progress
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 12:28:23 am »
An other option is to not instruct the blocker to do anything with a cover that's entered mid-jam and treat her like the blocker she is for the remainder of the jam.

Yep, Uri, I can see this as an option as well, but in this case how would you instruct other refs not to treat the skater as a pivot? In my logic, asking the skater to remove the pivot cover significantly reduced the chance that they could be mistaken for a pivot (by refs or their own team/jammer) and thereby gain potential advantage...
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Re: Pivot cover enters jam in progress
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2012, 02:05:02 am »
That could be an issue, but you should be able to convey her status to the other referees without much trouble (especially if you're head refereeing: "lead is open and black 8-2-1 is not a pivot"). Everyone should be able to handle a pivot-less jam.

(I've handled it in the past as you did. The just-ignore-it method was recently suggested to me, and I haven't had it come up since then, but think I'd deal with that way now.)
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Re: Pivot cover enters jam in progress
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 02:43:16 am »
Except that info is very hard to relay to your OPRs once the jam has begun. :(

Easiest path, with least room for others to not screw things up, too, is to just ask the skater to remove the helmet cover. Less room for error and OTOs.
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Re: Pivot cover enters jam in progress
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 11:22:37 am »
Except that info is very hard to relay to your OPRs once the jam has begun. :(

Exactly, FN, especially since this was one of the louder venues I've worked. I'll pat myself and the crew on the back. Derby crazy well-handled.
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