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30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« on: April 22, 2009, 01:06:21 am »
2.4.3 Between jams, a team has 30 seconds to get into formation.   

if both teams are on the track and appear ready before the 30 seconds has elapsed... do you start the jam?
or do you wait until the 30 seconds has counted down

i was of the opinion that if they're ready - start the jam
(i dont remember where i was told that - it was a while ago)

i recently saw video of a game between 2 wftda leagues - and it looked like the scoreboard counted down the 30 seconds. it appeared that the 30seconds was always counted down even if they're ready beforehand

so... what's considered best practice?



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Re: 30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 01:15:38 am »
No best practice: always wait 30 seconds. The rules say "30 seconds," not "a maximum of 30 seconds," so they always get 30 seconds.

Teams can choose to mixup the line up at the last minute, as strategy, or wait until 29 seconds to call a timeout to work the clock.

~j.z.

P.S. - if the scoreboard had a gigantic lime green 30 second countdown that superimposed over everything in between jams, it was probably my DerbyBoard 2.0 program.
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Re: 30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 03:31:42 am »
It is my understanding that there is some kind of WFTDA recommended practice of having the jam timer raise his or her hand at 25 seconds and then lower her hand as he/she blows the whistle to start the jam (just happens to be the exact same move as when a ref signals a potential OOP call and then makes the call). This seems like a great idea to me and I'm going to suggest to our head ref that we get our jam timers to follow this practice.

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Re: 30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 09:24:09 am »
I'm jam timing this weekend (am off-skates post-ankle surgery) and we do the full 30 secs as per the rules. We also have the jam timer count down to the Head Ref - 20 secs, 10 secs, 5 secs. So that if there is any dispute going on the Head Ref can decide if they need to take a timeout or not.
I like the idea of the chopping hand motion but I'm still having trouble co-ordinating whistling and starting the stopwatch at the same time so adding in a motion would need more practice. I prefer to hold my whistle in my hand but I supppose if I just had it in my mouth it'd be a lot easier. The hand-chop seems like a good candidate for best practices.
Alternatively I'd like to stand in the middle of the track and wave my scarf in the air  :D
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Re: 30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 11:45:58 am »
Always wait the full 30s.

It's common for a jammer who was just informed by their jammer-ref that they have 3 minors to switch panties during those last 5 seconds...
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Re: 30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 02:02:22 pm »
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Alternatively I'd like to stand in the middle of the track and wave my scarf in the air

that's what I want to see on saturday, Judy!  ;D see you there!
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Re: 30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2009, 03:08:25 pm »
P.S. - if the scoreboard had a gigantic lime green 30 second countdown that superimposed over everything in between jams, it was probably my DerbyBoard 2.0 program.




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Re: 30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2009, 04:16:20 pm »
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Alternatively I'd like to stand in the middle of the track and wave my scarf in the air

that's what I want to see on saturday, Judy!  ;D see you there!



Please excuse the slightly off-topic humour. Britain is enjoying a third consecutive day of sunshine and it's making me hyper (and sparkly)
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Re: 30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2009, 04:17:56 pm »
if both teams are on the track and appear ready before the 30 seconds has elapsed... do you start the jam?
or do you wait until the 30 seconds has counted down

It is my understanding that there is some kind of WFTDA recommended practice of having the jam timer raise his or her hand at 25 seconds and then lower her hand as he/she blows the whistle to start the jam

Always wait the 30 seconds.  Like other refs have said sometimes teams will switch a lineup before the 30 seconds is up or work the clock with their timeouts.

2.3.4 If 30 seconds or fewer remain on the period clock when a jam ends, there will not be
another jam started for that period, unless a timeout is called (See Section 2.6.5).


That is the practice our jam timer uses.  He raises his hand at 25 seconds and counts down the last 5 with his fingers.  Drops his hand as he blows the start whistle. It provides a visual warning to the benches, head ref and fans.
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Re: 30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2009, 04:47:21 pm »
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it was probably my DerbyBoard 2.0 program.

I want to use this for our next home bout, but the first thing we had to change is the Comic sans type (yuck*!!!)
- apart from that this thing is sensational!!! THANX btw!


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Re: 30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2009, 05:42:10 pm »
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it was probably my DerbyBoard 2.0 program.

I want to use this for our next home bout, but the first thing we had to change is the Comic sans type (yuck*!!!)

<Damn.> Hatin' on my font choice. It was readable, yo. And it was just for the score numbers.

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Re: 30 seconds between jams - do you wait
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2009, 05:43:50 pm »
sorry but being a graphic designer is also a disability ;)
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