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Offline Colin

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bout software(rinxter and others)
« on: February 17, 2013, 07:00:49 am »
Hi all
 I was wondering if anyone knows if WFTDA has a stance on using something like rinxter for tracking sanctioned bout data instead of paper forms?

Thanks

Offline Eject You Later

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Re: bout software(rinxter and others)
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2013, 01:10:20 pm »
Hi all
 I was wondering if anyone knows if WFTDA has a stance on using something like rinxter for tracking sanctioned bout data instead of paper forms?

Thanks

Rinxter was used at the WFTDA playoff tournaments and Championship tournament.

Edit: Woops, misread that you said instead of paper.  The paper was still used to track data at the tournaments and Rinxter was used to provide real time data.

I would have your wftda skater representative check on this.  I believe it is possible to go entirely rinxter, but since we haven't made the switch I haven't paid much attention to the requirements.
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Offline SilkenTofu

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Re: bout software(rinxter and others)
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2013, 01:42:57 pm »
Edit: Woops, misread that you said instead of paper.  The paper was still used to track data at the tournaments and Rinxter was used to provide real time data.

If I recall correctly, paper was the backup and Rinxter the official method of tracking score and lineups. Penalty tracking was reversed (paper was official and Rinxter was backup). I believe there are some leagues relying heavily on Rinxter for all of their sanctioned bout "paperwork," so hopefully we'll hear from them.
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Offline Numb3r Crunch3r

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Re: bout software(rinxter and others)
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 02:28:33 am »
Edit: Woops, misread that you said instead of paper.  The paper was still used to track data at the tournaments and Rinxter was used to provide real time data.

If I recall correctly, paper was the backup and Rinxter the official method of tracking score and lineups. Penalty tracking was reversed (paper was official and Rinxter was backup). I believe there are some leagues relying heavily on Rinxter for all of their sanctioned bout "paperwork," so hopefully we'll hear from them.

Agreed - line-up and score tracking were both Rinxter priority, paperwork 'if you can/as backup'. Generally most score trackers that I saw kept the full paperwork as well, but it was clearly instructed that in a time-pinch, Rinxter was your priority, and that you could update your paperwork between jams etc.

Line-up went from being a 2 person to 4 person job - officially each team had 2 lineup trackers - one Rinxter and one spotter/assistant. The spotter had the paperwork (which was required several times) and generally kept it fairly detailed, but their first and foremost job was to feed information to the Rinxter operator (who often had to look away from the track to enter information etc). In the case where the backup paperwork was required, any missing/incorrect jams were corrected in Rinxter at half-time, just cementing that Rinxter was the primary data collector for those positions.

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Re: bout software(rinxter and others)
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 03:19:20 pm »
Backing up Numb3r Crunch3r: At South Centrals last year it came down the pipe pretty early that Rinxster was our priority for scores. With an event that long we had occasional issues with the server or the next jam not getting added in a timely manner so the paperwork was still important. By the way, back-filling 2 or 3 jams worth of score data in 30 seconds between jams is no fun.

Overall Rinxter worked great, though.
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Re: bout software(rinxter and others)
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2013, 11:21:39 pm »
I can't in good conscience recommend Rinxter as anything other than a shadow system to a good paperwork based NSO crew.

Even when derby software is totally stable and reliable, there are those weird moments that you can't program for or edge cases that will fight you in your code. If major sports haven't dropped paper and pen, I doubt roller derby is ready for a computer overlord at this point.

* This is solely my own opinion and not an official statement of any WFTDA position official or unofficial.
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Re: bout software(rinxter and others)
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 12:54:44 am »
For sanctioning purposes I have heard that some leagues submit their bout stats through Rinxter so it is likely it can be done.

Really the way to answer this one is to ask sanctioning.

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Re: bout software(rinxter and others)
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2013, 06:12:40 pm »
We just completed our first home bout of the season, and we used Rinxter ONLY for Penalty Tracking.  I was "Head NSO/Penalty Wrangler", and stood inside with my tablet PC and punched in the penalties, which then displayed on monitors at each bench (as the substitute "Inside Whiteboard".)

I still maintained 2 PTs inside with paperwork, and all other positions with their paperwork. We probably could have used only 1 PT inside.  I filled out the Excel Doc, and THEN imported that into Rinxter for Stats Reporting and Trending purposes after the bout.

All in all, it worked pretty well.  The teams LOVED having the monitors instead of having to squint at the IWB. There were a couple times where the monitors didn't update, but closing the browser and reopening it fixed the issue.

I'd like to eventually try to move over to Rinxter for Lineup, Scoring, and Timing as well, but we'll still maintain all the paperwork manually.

EDIT: We will still use CRG for the scoreboard and timing until we are confident that Rinxter would be stable for us.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2013, 06:14:13 pm by NSjOe »

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Re: bout software(rinxter and others)
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2013, 06:50:29 am »
NSjOe, can you give a run down of all the equipment used to support a setup like that?  Thanks.

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Re: bout software(rinxter and others)
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2013, 03:37:32 am »
We've got a rebuilt desktop pc to run CRG, connected to the venue's projector.

For the IWB, I've got my laptop running Rinxter, connected to a wireless router. Then, I use my Samsung Galaxy Tab from the middle, which connects to Rinxter via Wi-Fi.

Then we have two used monitors (one behind each bench) attached to the VGA port on the laptop with a Y-splitter.

 

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