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Offline FNZebra

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Re: 17-year old NSO?
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2013, 06:37:45 pm »
Those two pieces are complementary.

Safety Protocol:
You may sit in suicide seats (at the very edge of the safety lane) if you are 18 or older.
If you are under 18, then you must sit at least 5 feet further back.

Insurance for some venues precludes minors from sitting in suicide seating, at all. That may be different than the WFTDA insurance coverage which depends on the Safety Protocol being adhered to strictly.
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Re: 17-year old NSO?
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2013, 11:49:48 pm »
I have worked sanctioned and regulation bouts where one of the scorekeepers was a minor.  In each case the scorekeepers were located the requisite 15 feet from the track boundary.

Incidentally, without exception, these kids were top notch scorekeepers, and more attentive than many of the adult scorekeepers I have worked with.

I know children who are fully capable of running a penalty box (I have seen it in scrimmages), but although their location is often 15 feet or more from the track boundary, the proximity of skaters entering the box makes it seem like a bad idea, and I have not encountered their use in a real bout.

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Re: 17-year old NSO?
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2013, 07:25:38 pm »
Response from the WFTDA insurance folks.....

"Since everyone who volunteers for your adult league must sign the waiver, and since the waiver states that the signer is 18 or older, no one under the age of 18 should be permitted to participate with your league, in any capacity, except spectator. If you allow someone to participate without signing that waiver, you're accepting full liability if anything were to happen. I know it's rare, but I have seen non-skating officials get injured - it does happen, more than you think."

So I asked the question...

Would there be a difference if the volunteer held WFTDA insurance through a Jr Roller Derby league? 

Response...
No, even if they have junior coverage through WFTDA - we treat our junior leagues and adult leagues completely separate. All participants with an adult league must be 18 or older.
 
Based on this, I do not see an adult league as being able to use minors in official positions, regardless of their distance from the track.  They may only be spectators.  Based on discussion on this thread....I don't think this is widely known.  I think WFTDA may need to more widely communicate their position on this topic if there are sanctioned bouts falling outside the guidlines of the WFTDA insurance. 

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Re: 17-year old NSO?
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2013, 03:35:37 pm »
Each WFTDA league has(should have) an insurance officer who is responsible for knowing these things. Minors may not participate in adult practices or games. That's been the case for as long as there's been WFTDA insurance.

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Re: 17-year old NSO?
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2013, 03:59:42 pm »
Each WFTDA league has(should have) an insurance officer who is responsible for knowing these things. Minors may not participate in adult practices or games. That's been the case for as long as there's been WFTDA insurance.

And without violating confidentiality agreements, this is a pretty common questionthat WFTDA reps should have access to the answers.
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Re: 17-year old NSO?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2013, 12:15:06 am »
Without violating anything, feel free to follow this link to the Insurance FAQ. This issue is addressed.

http://wftda.com/faq/wftda-insurance-faq

Feel free to use the search function on the wftda.com website. A lot of good information there.
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Re: 17-year old NSO?
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2013, 02:00:29 pm »
Is there any concern from a WFTdA liability standpoint where a 17 year old would be a concern? We are in desperate need of NSOs, but I'm not about to lose our charter because if it.
The first sentence (the one with the question mark) isn't really the question here, is it Vanna?  The question here seems to be, if a full member WFTDA league chooses to take the risk of employing a volunteer who cannot sign a waiver, does that choice put the league in jeopardy of some repercussions from the WFTDA?  If the answer to this question is yes, then leagues also may be turning away people who are extremely old, or of limited/permanently impaired mental capacity.  Sure, the people I just described aren't likely candidates for your NSO crew, but from a liability standpoint a volunteer is a volunteer is a volunteer.  Does this mean grandma can't greet people at the door and take their tickets?  How about my cousin with Downs Syndrome?

I considered not making the above comments, because this forum is probably not the place to get these answers, but I went ahead for the sake of offering some food for thought.

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Re: 17-year old NSO?
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2013, 03:03:18 pm »
I feel very confident in saying that the repercussions would not be from the WFTDA, unless there were unbelievable gross negligence involved. The league would be taking the risk themselves against any lawyer that wants to sue the league.
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Re: 17-year old NSO?
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2013, 06:40:03 pm »
For the sake of taking the bait.
I seriously doubt that WFTDA insurance is concerned with having someone of diminished capacity whether it be due to Alzheimers, Dementia, or any of the other situations Packman alluded to, from volunteering.
The insurance is making it quite clear "Under 17 must be a spectator in Adult bouts."
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Re: 17-year old NSO?
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2013, 05:13:15 am »
For the sake of taking the bait.
I seriously doubt that WFTDA insurance is concerned with having someone of diminished capacity whether it be due to Alzheimers, Dementia, or any of the other situations Packman alluded to, from volunteering.
The insurance is making it quite clear "Under 17 must be a spectator in Adult bouts."
Yes, I'm with you DJ, in so far as that is the intention.  My point is that the reason given by the insurance gurus was that nobody could volunteer unless they could legally sign the waiver for themselves, and that last caveat rules out plenty of people who are not under 18.

 

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