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(3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« on: April 29, 2009, 07:48:37 pm »

Under 3.1 please:

Multiple-choice question :D

A jammer is blocked out by a blocker and then skates at a constant speed next to the pack looking for a way in for almost half of the track.  She does not cut any players on re-entry.

a) No impact.
b) SOOB Minor.
c) SOOB Major.
d) Multiple SOOB Minors.
e) Other.

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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2009, 08:04:29 pm »
I'd give her a minor as soon as it is apparent that she is maintaining speed OOB. I'd probably continue to give minors if she then does not slow her roll.

~j.z.

P.S. This is a good question: at a recent bout I was pack reffing, a jammer did exactly this, and the jam ref didn't call anything, as he was unaware that "maintaining" speed OOB was also a penalty.
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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2009, 08:12:35 pm »
That is good. I'd always erred on the side of :

No Impact/No Penalty
6.2.9.1 Being forced out-of-bounds by an opponent's block.
6.2.9.2 Skating out-of-bounds as the result of a missed or successful block.

However J.Z. Brings up a good point, how long would be considered 'too long' or would it simply be because she maintained/increased speed?

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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2009, 08:15:25 pm »
On this note, what about people who call SOOB every time someone has half a wheel touch outside the track boundary? My experience is that it's usually the result of a jammer swinging a little wide around a turn while sprinting between passes. I don't call these. At the moment her foot is out, she is about to cross over with the other, fully in-bounds foot after coasting through the turn, and she is actually decelerating. By the time she's crossed over and gained momentum, she's back in bounds again. Furthermore, there's no impact; if anything, the lack of control that makes one go out of bounds is detrimental to the person involved. But in the past couple weeks, in a couple different places, I've encountered refs who are absolutely militant about issuing a penalty every time this happens (and skaters who are thrown off guard by this).
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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2009, 08:16:34 pm »
Time is not really the issue here. If she is actively maintaining or increasing speed, it is an SOOB penalty.

You err on the side of no impact/no penalty if you are unsure if she is maintaining or increasing speed.
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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2009, 08:19:47 pm »
I'm with Dayglo.. In the past I hadn't really called SOOB when it was just a step out around turns  Its something reading the new ruleset  really hit home on me about, and something I now know I need to pay more attention too.



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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2009, 09:21:48 pm »
I'm with Dayglo.. In the past I hadn't really called SOOB when it was just a step out around turns  Its something reading the new ruleset  really hit home on me about, and something I now know I need to pay more attention too.

The only changes to SOOB in 4.0 involve gaining momentum for a block while out of bounds (which was already illegal anyway) and gaining/maintaining speed on the way to the penalty box.
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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2009, 09:30:39 pm »
On this note, what about people who call SOOB every time someone has half a wheel touch outside the track boundary?  ... I've encountered refs who are absolutely militant about issuing a penalty every time this happens (and skaters who are thrown off guard by this).

For this particular penalty, I think it's lame if there's no advantage to the SOOB.  It does makes me have to work a little harder as a ref because I have to pay extra close attention to whether or not she's passing other skaters while she's out-of-bounds.  

As a general principle for good refereeing, (according to National Association of Sports Officials) boundary line rules are to be strictly enforced.  However, for this penalty, it's gotta be a clear advantage of maintaining or increasing speed before I'll call it.  I used to use distance as a gauge, but now I don't.

That said, I'm as strict as anyone with Tracking Cutting penalties.  After all, a large percentage of the time, it's because a blocker has made just enough of a block to knock the Jammer over the boundary line.  I'd hate to deprive a blocker the rewards of having made a good play.  
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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2009, 09:40:26 pm »
For SOOB, it doesn't matter if she is passing other skaters. The speed of other skaters may help judge her speed, but that is only so helpful.
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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2009, 09:47:11 pm »
For SOOB, it doesn't matter if she is passing other skaters. The speed of other skaters may help judge her speed, but that is only so helpful.

Right.  Sorry, I meant to make the connection that it'd be easier to start issuing SOOB penalties as opposed to watching closely to see if she's committing track cutting penalties. 
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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2009, 10:03:04 pm »

So, the question is... would you ever upgrade a minor SOOB to a major (for skating outside, not inside) or would you assign multiple SOOB minors?
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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2009, 10:15:03 pm »
I don't think you would ever upgrade for that. Only assess multiple minors.
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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2009, 10:24:15 pm »
I don't think you would ever upgrade for that. Only assess multiple minors.

This discussion is starting to remind me of this thread:

http://www.zebrahuddle.com/index.php?topic=251.msg4644#msg4644
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Re: (3.1) SOOB Penalty enforcement
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2009, 10:37:27 pm »
Except OOP is different than SOOB.
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