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New NSO Position Manuals
« on: January 07, 2014, 09:42:20 pm »
Hello Everyone, I have posted links to NSO position manuals I created for my league.

They started out as just a way of studying for the NSO cert test, but I decided to formalize them and turn them into something my league could use to train new NSOs.  There aren't Wrangler or HNSO manuals yet, but I think I will be working on them in the future.
 
This was actually much harder than I thought; to sit down and write out all the steps to something that after so much time just becomes habit. I have been over them dozens of times and had some others look at them, but I'm sure there are mistakes I've missed so I'd like to get some new eyes on them. All suggestions are welcome. Please feel free to point out any mistakes in content or formatting; typos and such. Those things annoy me, too.

Scoreboard Op- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ozWJS7i0PgcgybdYFqE_FWttUbohqjgLkJRnUwzrnHQ/edit?usp=sharing

Scorekeeper - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KSgKDnO0NPmikasBt7oa4LX0cMTe-NIDYtnT0Hy74lU/edit?usp=sharing

Lineup Tracker - https://docs.google.com/document/d/14-HtcUDGdNf745zPrjjLeHxHhKdJ8j3PPVaLkv2KVco/edit?usp=sharing

Penalty Tracking - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Am-72qjoLg8ndC14JIjGY30TQqj0rmQOre2SlE9dP2Y/edit?usp=sharing

Penalty Box - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mNZqmQz_qzMheOQ82B-TYt3ztM4SpdQfoWrZNUKS_-U/edit?usp=sharing

Jam Timer - https://docs.google.com/document/d/13rCYpI3zkAAgKkOLwqWTcP6aVCiWYf7lBfz0IXl4IPg/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2014, 10:35:34 pm »
From the SK manual, there’s a couple of issues:

- If the jammer doesn’t complete their initial pass, there should be a “-“ in the “Pass 2” column besides the “X” in the “NP column.

The “Jammer Penalties” sections misses a few edge cases on when to check “LOST” (and probably shouldn’t be titled ‘Jammer Penalties’ since they can have that column checked even without any penalties - but you did get the “removes helmet cover” case):

- A jammer can clear the EZ without having passed all other skaters (via no-pass/no-penalty), and be declared as “not lead”, but not have had any penalties.  If this happens before the other jammer is declared lead, the “LOST” column should be checked (because due to their actions in failing to go back re-pass a skater, they lost the ability to gain lead jammer status when it was otherwise available to them).

- Similarly, the LOST column would only be checked if a jammer who is not lead receives a penalty only if the other jammer has not already been declared lead (not simply “if the jammer was not awared lead and receives a penalty”)


- If a jammer clears the EZ (and the JR then signals points), and the jam ends before the jammer can pass any opposing skater, they will be awarded 0 points for that pass, which the JR should be signalling, and the SK should be recording (and it happens often enough that should be commonly seen on SK paperwork). 

- A jammer who calls off the jam, even if they don’t have lead, should still have the ‘CALL’ column checked (not just if they have lead, as implied in the text).

- You are missing how to deal with star passes

- You didn’t mention anything about the INJ column

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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2014, 11:23:47 pm »
From the SK manual, there’s a couple of issues:

- If the jammer doesn’t complete their initial pass, there should be a “-“ in the “Pass 2” column besides the “X” in the “NP column.

Why? If she didn't complete her initial pass then 'Pass 2' is irrelevant. No 0, no '-', nothing. It's not a case of marking it to indicate that you know it should be empty - just leave it empty.

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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2014, 01:04:11 am »
The dash serves as a placeholder, so that in the next jam, when your pencil goes to paper to record a score, it naturally 'skips' the row & goes to the next, where it belongs.

Subtle, but good practice, IMO.

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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2014, 02:02:26 am »
Adding a dash is a non-standard practice. Some leagues may encourage it. Some may not. My league fills in our forms to match what should be entered in the IBRF, and in this case a non-numeric character breaks the spreadsheet. We leave the boxes empty on a No Pass and our instructional documentation reflects the same.


Regarding the Scoreboard Operator instructions, they should not be entering points as signaled by the jammer refs. They should enter points as communicated by their scorekeepers.
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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2014, 03:11:16 pm »
The dash serves as a placeholder, so that in the next jam, when your pencil goes to paper to record a score, it naturally 'skips' the row & goes to the next, where it belongs.

Subtle, but good practice, IMO.

It’s also what they’ve taught at ref clinics.

(And yes, it is really annoying that all the details/best practices on filling out paperwork that is taught at clinics isn’t available in any sort of official written form)

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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2014, 03:18:13 pm »

It’s also what they’ve taught at ref clinics.

(And yes, it is really annoying that all the details/best practices on filling out paperwork that is taught at clinics isn’t available in any sort of official written form)

This wasn't taught at the August 2013 clinic. More and more frequently I'm seeing the inconsistencies between clinics. Given these inconsistencies, I don't understand why we rely on a partially defined Standard Practices document and not a full officials' guidebook. How are we expected to maintain consistency between leagues?
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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2014, 03:18:34 pm »
Penalty Tracker:

Your sorting order is wrong.  The rosters should be sorted character by character, with 0-9 sorting before A-Z (and "no more characters” coming before either), and not sorted by length first.  So your example should sort:
0
000
1
101
14
33
404
44
6022
69
7
7XS
AK47
ICE9

(BTW, I love that you’re using the “circle at the start of the jam, cross out at the end” system for tracking jam numbers)

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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2014, 05:25:52 pm »
Penalty Tracker: when a skater is expelled (ejection is no longer "a thing"), the penalty should be recorded as the penalty as well as the expulsion.  So in your example, skater 1 would have both M and G as penalties, then the G again in the "exp" column, for a total of 2 penalties that period.

I haven't had time to look at any of the other manuals yet--just skimmed this one and noticed that.  Also, the number order is incorrect, as Mad Statter said.
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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2014, 05:34:25 pm »
...and then I decided to keep reading these instead of doing actual work.   ;D

Lineup tracker: Lead jammer is awarded when the jammer passes the foremost blocker, not at the end of the Engagement Zone.  Lead jammer is not a good metric for the end of the initial pass.

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NOTE: If a penalty was overturned or erroneously given, a skater may be released from the box in between jams. In this case only, mark ‘0’ as the pass when the skater exited the penalty box.
This is not something I've ever heard.  "0" is used if the opposing jammer (the one you're tracking) has started the jam in the penalty box, has not yet been released from the penalty box, and one of "your" skaters enters or exits the box. 

You might also want to clarify that the "no pivot" box is checked if the team fields four blockers but no pivot cover, or if the team fields any other number of blockers but no pivot cover.  That has led to some questions as I've trained folks.  Also, I really appreciate the use of the controversial dash (see above) when a team fields fewer than five skaters.  That shows me, as HNSO, that it wasn't just the LT taking a nap and missing a skater, but there really wasn't a skater in that position in that jam.

I'm going to try to force myself to do some paying work now, but I'm sure I'll read more of these later.
Bloomington, IN
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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2014, 05:34:58 pm »
...and then I decided to keep reading these instead of doing actual work.   ;D

Lineup tracker: Lead jammer is awarded when the jammer passes the foremost blocker, not at the end of the Engagement Zone.  Lead jammer is not a good metric for the end of the initial pass.

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NOTE: If a penalty was overturned or erroneously given, a skater may be released from the box in between jams. In this case only, mark ‘0’ as the pass when the skater exited the penalty box.
This is not something I've ever heard.  "0" is used if the opposing jammer (the one you're tracking) has started the jam in the penalty box, has not yet been released from the penalty box, and one of "your" skaters enters or exits the box.  The opposing jammer's initial pass has not yet started, because s/he is in the box.

You might also want to clarify that the "no pivot" box is checked if the team fields four blockers but no pivot cover, or if the team fields any other number of blockers but no pivot cover.  That has led to some questions as I've trained folks.  Also, I really appreciate the use of the controversial dash (see above) when a team fields fewer than five skaters.  That shows me, as HNSO, that it wasn't just the LT taking a nap and missing a skater, but there really wasn't a skater in that position in that jam.

I'm going to try to force myself to do some paying work now, but I'm sure I'll read more of these later.
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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2014, 08:33:33 pm »
Penalty Tracker:

Your sorting order is wrong.  The rosters should be sorted character by character, with 0-9 sorting before A-Z (and "no more characters” coming before either), and not sorted by length first.  So your example should sort:
0
000
1
101
14
33
404
44
6022
69
7
7XS
AK47
ICE9

(BTW, I love that you’re using the “circle at the start of the jam, cross out at the end” system for tracking jam numbers)

Okay, I actually knew this was wrong, but I and most I work with find this system so counter-intuitive that we usually use the other system, but I do want this to be as much in line with standard practices as it can be. I will try to come up with some better numbers to update the example with.
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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2014, 09:16:15 pm »
Penalty Tracker:

Your sorting order is wrong.  The rosters should be sorted character by character, with 0-9 sorting before A-Z (and "no more characters” coming before either), and not sorted by length first.  So your example should sort:
0
000
1
101
14
33
404
44
6022
69
7
7XS
AK47
ICE9

(BTW, I love that you’re using the “circle at the start of the jam, cross out at the end” system for tracking jam numbers)

Okay, I actually knew this was wrong, but I and most I work with find this system so counter-intuitive that we usually use the other system, but I do want this to be as much in line with standard practices as it can be. I will try to come up with some better numbers to update the example with.

The more you work with it, the more natural it feels.  When I started working with what I called "the silly WFTDA number order," I always said "my brain just doesn't work that way."  Turns out, after about a year of serious NSOing, it made complete sense to me.  It gets better!  :)
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Offline Numb3r Crunch3r

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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2014, 09:38:27 pm »
Penalty Tracker:

Your sorting order is wrong.  The rosters should be sorted character by character, with 0-9 sorting before A-Z (and "no more characters” coming before either), and not sorted by length first.  So your example should sort:
0
000
1
101
14
33
404
44
6022
69
7
7XS
AK47
ICE9

(BTW, I love that you’re using the “circle at the start of the jam, cross out at the end” system for tracking jam numbers)

Okay, I actually knew this was wrong, but I and most I work with find this system so counter-intuitive that we usually use the other system, but I do want this to be as much in line with standard practices as it can be. I will try to come up with some better numbers to update the example with.

The more you work with it, the more natural it feels.  When I started working with what I called "the silly WFTDA number order," I always said "my brain just doesn't work that way."  Turns out, after about a year of serious NSOing, it made complete sense to me.  It gets better!  :)

It helps to change the way you approach your thinking, too. Yes, in the real world, '404' is obviously 'higher' than '44' and should go underneath that in the number sort (possibly with 77, 101 and 223 in between, I'm making up numbers now for emphasis).

In the derby world, if your refs are doing their job correctly, the numbers you're hearing are 'FOUR-ZERO-FOUR' and 'FOUR FOUR'. Having an alphanumeric sort means immediately upon hearing that 'FOUR-' you know what section of the board to be in, because all the numbers starting with 4 are in the same area. Having a standard numerical sort means you're waiting to hear the entire number before then mentally assessing it to figure out where it fits compared to the other numbers in ascending order and finding it on the list. Split seconds, but it makes you look like a wicked-quick mind-reading NSO.

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Re: New NSO Position Manuals
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2014, 10:06:22 pm »
I updated that section and added an appendix to the end to break it down, long form. It started being a little more intuitive by the end, but still feels a bit like being retaught signifigant digits in chemistry.
Mav Wreck
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