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Re: Should the ref cap be higher? (split from: Standing Head Ref)
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2009, 11:40:55 pm »
To follow up on FNZebra

Even in NHL and Soccer only 1 Referee actually calls penalties. The other 2 are 'field/lineman' who only flag off-sides type penalties.

If that 1 "Head ref" didn't see it, it didn't occur.
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Re: Should the ref cap be higher? (split from: Standing Head Ref)
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2009, 06:42:08 am »
Name another sport where officials to skaters is getting close to one-to-one. It just shouldn't be required.

It's not required.  Only 3 are required. 

Also, derby isn't like other sports.  There are things we can learn from other sports, but it doesn't mean their established traditions are always applicable to our sport.
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Re: Should the ref cap be higher? (split from: Standing Head Ref)
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2009, 01:23:26 pm »
Name another sport where officials to skaters is getting close to one-to-one. It just shouldn't be required.
Well, tennis has one umpire and a lot of line judges (twelve? more?) for two to four players... And gymnastics (although the officials are judging merit rather than calling penalties), for instance, has a whole panel of judges for a single competitor. However, they are entirely different beasts to derby and so the comparison is pretty much moot.
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Re: Should the ref cap be higher? (split from: Standing Head Ref)
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2009, 02:20:38 pm »
Hey Duncan.. good to see you here... well I would like to see a cap of 8... we like to have 5 skating refs in the infield. which is no problem, because our venue allows only stationary OPRs (just like you have it in Tottenham, Duncan). So we use a max of 2 OPRs.

But If I had the chance I would love to use 8 including a Head Ref as an additional IPR who can e.g. watch out for OOP Skaters in front or behind the pack. Maybe you don't need that with 3 skating OPR's... (I will see how that works at the Roll Britannia tourney in London for the first time (as an OPR). I am such a rookie myself!
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Re: Should the ref cap be higher? (split from: Standing Head Ref)
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2009, 04:02:19 pm »
Here's an example from the other extreme end.  Last weekend I was head ref for a public scrimmage/bout where there were only three refs total, and I was the only ref on skates!  Neither team was my league; I had just volunteered to help out because I'm friends with both leagues.  They are new leagues and are very short-handed with officials.  The two other refs didn't have USARS and had never reffed a bout before, so I put one on each inside corner as a standing pack ref.  I did triple duty as head ref/jam ref for both teams!  Since we were so understaffed, I eliminated all minors and only called major penalties.  The final score was 192-55, so you can imagine how overworked I was.  And the players and coaches still complained about missed calls!  LOL

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Re: Should the ref cap be higher? (split from: Standing Head Ref)
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2009, 04:13:32 pm »
I reffed a coed scrimmage after Derby in Dairyland.

JFM jam reffed with me on the first jam. He was in high heals.

There were only a couple more jams... I did those alone.

Jawbreaker, Ivanna S Pankin, Quad Almighty, Quad Zilla, and many others were playing.

I expected it to ve VERY sloppy, but it really wasn't. It seemed like they were keeping in as clean as possible.

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Re: Should the ref cap be higher? (split from: Standing Head Ref)
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2009, 04:15:32 pm »
...breaking my zebrahuddle duck with a largely worthless contribution to a largely hypothetical thread, and clearly starting as I mean to go on. ;)

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Re: Should the ref cap be higher? (split from: Standing Head Ref)
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2009, 05:02:45 pm »
Here's an example from the other extreme end.  Last weekend I was head ref for a public scrimmage/bout where there were only three refs total, and I was the only ref on skates!  Neither team was my league; I had just volunteered to help out because I'm friends with both leagues.  They are new leagues and are very short-handed with officials.  The two other refs didn't have USARS and had never reffed a bout before, so I put one on each inside corner as a standing pack ref.  I did triple duty as head ref/jam ref for both teams!  Since we were so understaffed, I eliminated all minors and only called major penalties.  The final score was 192-55, so you can imagine how overworked I was.  And the players and coaches still complained about missed calls!  LOL

Been there done that..

We had a 'demo' night before Thunder Beach 2008 in Panama City on Thursday where we 'practiced' publicly for the pick up bouts that were scheduled through the weekend. The first night there was only myself and Spencer from PC.  We ended up Both of us starting as Jam refs, whichever group got 'lead jammer' the other would take over as pack ref, we really didn't bother with keeping a official score since it was 'scrimmage/practice' anyways.

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Re: Should the ref cap be higher? (split from: Standing Head Ref)
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2009, 02:20:54 am »
And to veer on a slight tangent in this thread, if WFTDA were to allow another penalty-calling ref to be in charge of the bad-girl box, they could be known as the PBR -- which lends itself to nice national sponsorship opportunity and a cute cylindrical costume which the PBR could wear...

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Re: Should the ref cap be higher? (split from: Standing Head Ref)
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2009, 03:19:04 pm »
And to veer on a slight tangent in this thread, if WFTDA were to allow another penalty-calling ref to be in charge of the bad-girl box, they could be known as the PBR -- which lends itself to nice national sponsorship opportunity and a cute cylindrical costume which the PBR could wear...

Charlotte is already a step ahead in that respect. PBR is our main sponsor.


 

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