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Offline llama of death

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Fox 40 Caul
« on: April 03, 2014, 07:53:12 pm »
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I have been using this for a bit now and apparently it gets some heads to turn not because it looks cool but it sounds "different".

It is technically 5db softer than the classic but it feels louder and... deeper?

Is this a "bad" whistle to use? It seems to take the skaters and other officials some time to adjust to hearing the slightly different tone and register it as a valid whistle. I don't want to cause problems but I love the feel of this whistle over the classic finger whistle.
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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2014, 08:01:49 pm »
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It's comfortable but it sounds awful and the pitch is all wrong.

Stick with the classic/eclipse.
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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2014, 08:06:48 pm »
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I haven't heard it, so I don't know how different the tone is. In general, you want to avoid deviating too far from the sound of the Fox 40 Classic. Trust me on this.

As an example of why this is important, I have a story from Champs in Chicago. I was on Professor Murder's crew and during one of our games, I noticed what I thought was a whistle coming from the crowd. I noted that it didn't sound like a Fox 40. He made note of it and we moved on. At some point during the next jam, I heard at least one set of 4 whistles, but the jam didn't end. After the jam finally ended, we all talked about the whistles. Every referee on the crew heard the whistles and no one chimed in to assist in calling off the jam. Why? Because every one of us knew that it was not a Fox 40. It turned out to be something that the DJ was playing had a set of 4 whistles in it, in just about the same cadence as what we use to call off jams.
Moral of the story, by deviating too far from the sound of the Classic, you are making it more likely that a jam will be called off because of something coming from the crowd, or something the DJ is playing.

PS - the Classic fingergrip is the same exact whistle as the Classic. I noticed you specifically called out the fingergrip to compare to this one. I believe the Caul is also available without fingergrip. For most people, I would recommend against a fingergrip, but I have a bit of a bias. I personally hate finger whistles.
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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2014, 08:07:30 pm »
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From the old WFTDA officiating manual:

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The Fox 40 ‘classic’ (pealess) model is the workhorse of roller derby. However, there are a few
cases where a crew may need to use a different model. This is most frequently seen in venues
where two tracks are positioned side-by-side, and whistles from one track can be confused with
whistles from the other.

In tournaments or exhibitions like these, the referee staff should be prepared with a ‘second’
model which sounds distinctly different from the Fox 40. A ‘two-tone’ system in a big shared
room can significantly cut down on the number of confusing competing whistles.
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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2014, 09:57:56 pm »
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From the old WFTDA officiating manual:

In this case, deprecated info, I think.

Has any multi-track event in the last 3 years used a 'two-tone' system? Over that period, I've only heard of this as "a thing that was tried & abandoned in the past", and I've heard that at MANY multi-track events.

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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2014, 10:46:15 pm »
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Interestingly I have one ref who specifically changes his whistle to a sonic if jammer reffing. Something to do with volume and the fact that it stands out more when he calls it, so we can hear it better? He'll probably chime in himself.

He also tried a caul once, and lasted about three jams. It is ear splitting, the particular tone of it goes straight through my brain and into my soul.

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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2014, 11:03:58 pm »
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Interestingly I have one ref who specifically changes his whistle to a sonic if jammer reffing. Something to do with volume and the fact that it stands out more when he calls it, so we can hear it better? He'll probably chime in himself.

He also tried a caul once, and lasted about three jams. It is ear splitting, the particular tone of it goes straight through my brain and into my soul.

Yep, as I said not technical louder but seems to resonate more in the ear.

@Major Wood, that is exactly what I am concerned about. Fourtunatly I do have both all three (classic/lanyard, classic/finger, and Caul/finger) and use both a finger and a lanyard (particularly if JR or F-IPR).

I don't like the feel of the classic/finger but if it causes that much of a problem I can and will switch.

I would love to hear further examples/ideas on the matter.
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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2014, 12:07:42 am »
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I don't like the feel of the classic/finger but [...]

Note that there are two different finger grips available in the Classic line (though neither matches the Caul's finger grip). The metal one, with a textured rubber overlay, is my preference. It's adjustable, to become snug on my (apparently) wee fingers. It does get a little sweaty, but not terribly so. The plastic one is rigid & way too large for me, and its smooth surface gets soggy/slimy quick.

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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2014, 12:20:49 am »
+1
From the old WFTDA officiating manual:

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The Fox 40 ‘classic’ (pealess) model is the workhorse of roller derby. However, there are a few
cases where a crew may need to use a different model. This is most frequently seen in venues
where two tracks are positioned side-by-side, and whistles from one track can be confused with
whistles from the other.

In tournaments or exhibitions like these, the referee staff should be prepared with a ‘second’
model which sounds distinctly different from the Fox 40. A ‘two-tone’ system in a big shared
room can significantly cut down on the number of confusing competing whistles.

I watched on youtube some bouts from ECDX last year. They ran two tracks simultaneously and close to each other.  It was a common thing for the commentators to mention "bleed over" of whistles from one track to the other. I can't remember the exact bout, but this scenario happened:

Not-lead-jammer, thinks they are lead and tries to call off the jam
Their jam ref does not call off the jam
A the exact same time the jam on the other track is called off
An OPR mistakenly hears the call off from the other track and echos the whistles
All the other refs echo the OPRs whistle, jam ends

This was followed by a lot of confusion and a lengthy official time out.

Here would be a perfect case for a "two tone" approach.

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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2014, 12:33:14 am »
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To add to that, here is an example of whistle bleed over
http://youtu.be/k4os3kV1zHw?t=21m20s
At the 21:31 mark you can clearly and loudly hear a call off from the other track.
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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2014, 12:45:17 am »
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Interestingly I have one ref who specifically changes his whistle to a sonic if jammer reffing.

A correction I make regularly: This referee probably does not have a Sonik, but a Sonik Blast. They are two drastically different whistles. The Sonik Blast replaced the Sonik (which hasn't been produced since probably 2010 or 2011). The old Sonik had a slightly different pitch that penetrated large spaces/crowds better than the Classic, but wasn't all that different in tone. The Sonik Blast has a very different tone from the Classic and is much louder.
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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2014, 01:06:56 am »
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Interestingly I have one ref who specifically changes his whistle to a sonic if jammer reffing. Something to do with volume and the fact that it stands out more when he calls it, so we can hear it better? He'll probably chime in himself.

He also tried a caul once, and lasted about three jams. It is ear splitting, the particular tone of it goes straight through my brain and into my soul.

That would be my cue. I nerded out over whistles a while ago.
Most referees locally use a Classic - as do I when I'm not JR; there's the occasional Pearl-user but they're peer-shamed like rollerblading refs.

The Sonik Blast has a similar tone to the Classic - higher pitch, louder volume, easier to get sharp call-offs.

The Caul has a different tone. Like the difference between a car-horn and a foghorn. The mouthpiece doesn't lend itself to the short, sharp tones required for derby. I do not like it at all - but that's personal preference.

Despite all the whistle geekery - the most important thing is the game. Whistle is a tool, like skates/gear/stripes.
If my HR asked me to switch to a Classic for crew-whistle-consistency, I wouldn't hesitate to do so.

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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2014, 01:12:03 pm »
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I'm a big fan of the Fox 40 Eclipse theses days.

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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2014, 04:22:12 pm »
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That's a nice whistle, not certain why they didn't/don't just make the eclipse with a finger mount like the caul, no more metal clamp on my fingers and nor more catching on stuff like the classic fingered does for me. Then it would be my favorite by far, I'd buy a Eclipse/finger in a heartbeat.
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Re: Fox 40 Caul
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2014, 04:48:11 pm »
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The caul has a very different tone and it's easy to pick out from a classic. Use a classic.

 

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