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Author Topic: New NSO Manuals  (Read 10334 times)

Offline beatmeupscotty

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New NSO Manuals
« on: July 10, 2014, 12:58:00 pm »
Hey,
I spent half my spring writing these up and wanted to share them. They pretty much contain all my NSO knowledge and a lot of updated stuff from the ROC City manuals. I got permission from Gravity Kills to do the updates, and was going to keep the original titles but didn't want to presume that the changes I made to that information would be the way they still operated at ROC. So I just used my name instead and distributed them to the teams I NSO for. Some of the info in them is unchanged from those manuals and I take no credit for their hard work, just feel lucky that I was allowed to use it for these updated manuals.

This my third year as an NSO, I don't know everything but I've had the pleasure of working with a lot of people that do. I'm HNSO for CCRD, RADD, NARD and NEO Jr.

These are not WFTDA documents. They are training material that I use for my teams. Enjoy them. Feel free to give feed back.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6vg_p4Wd73LVE9RVkIxcXBaOFE&usp=sharing

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2014, 06:40:58 pm »
Thank you so much for this!!!  We haven't had time to update our last set of manuals...and now we don't have to <3

Holla!
Retro

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2014, 01:19:40 am »
That looks great. I hope you don't mind if I borrow it as a reference.
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Offline theMadStatter

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2014, 03:54:15 pm »
A quick look through the HNSO manual shows that the sorting order for skaters is non-standard:

01
49
123
8997
AAA
A77
B4U
SPF40

should be sorted:
01
123
49
8997
A77
AAA
B4U
SPF40

From the standard practices:
[rule]Skater numbers should be listed on the IWB in an alphabetic sort.The order of characters will start first with 0-9, followed by A-Z. (Example: 1, 11, 11A, 1A, 2, 21, 2B, 4, 9, A1, etc.)[/rule]

Offline Charles Dickins

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2014, 04:45:00 pm »
Also, AAA is an illegal number.

[rule]2.7.4.5 A skater’s number must have at least one numerical digit. For example, L5 is an acceptable number, but LV is not.[/rule]
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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2014, 05:38:04 pm »
Also, AAA is an illegal number.

[rule]2.7.4.5 A skater’s number must have at least one numerical digit. For example, L5 is an acceptable number, but LV is not.[/rule]

As is SPF40
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Offline 1600-DOCTORB

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2014, 01:11:05 pm »
Two points after reading through the HNSO manual:

1. You reference Outside Whiteboard, wasn't that abolished a few years ago? Do people still use them?
2. You also list 2 PTs, I've never even heard of this! Even the paperwork is set up for one person to do the job.

Thank you for making these though! I've shared them with my league.

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2014, 08:21:36 pm »
In the jam timer manual,  the whistle to start a timeout is four short whistles not one long wavering whistle.  The long wavering whistle signals the skaters to lineup and get ready to play (end game clock stoppage)(timeout, halftime, etc.).

Edit: in the iwb manual, you list false start as a penalty.  False start is now a warning with failure to yield as the corresponding penalty.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2014, 08:33:49 pm by Bluebeard »

Offline SilkenTofu

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2014, 01:55:20 pm »
2. You also list 2 PTs, I've never even heard of this! Even the paperwork is set up for one person to do the job.

"Back in the day," when there were minors, standard practices included two penalty trackers.  It is still allowed, it just doesn't align with the current standard practices.  You'll notice that the statsbook includes a blue tab labeled "dual trackers"--this is for use with two trackers.  You shouldn't enter data into that tab; instead you have to transcribe it onto the regular penalty tracking tab.  But it is indeed an option.

As far as OWBs go, I know some leagues were reluctant to let them go, and continued to use them to ensure all OPR calls were picked up.  If you have a plethora of NSOs and a couple people who want to hang out on the corners for the game, there's no rule against it.  But they're not in the standard practices either.  :)
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Offline Bluebeard

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2014, 08:40:43 pm »
Thanks for sharing this.

In the score keeper manual, the inj. Column is for if the jam gets called for injury to anyone, not specifically just that team's jammer.  The lineup trackers record who was injured.  The score keepers just record that that jam ended early due to injury, regardless of who the injured player is.

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2014, 02:46:41 pm »
Thank you everyone for the edit recommendations, I'll take care of them in the next revision!!

To take the focus off improvements for a second, what did you all think of them?

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2014, 07:16:21 pm »
Overall excellent, I have been using these with some of the slight corrections as mentioned for my NSO traiees and attached to clipboards prebout. They are succinct and seem complete. (though i am no expert at all positions so there may be errors or missing info I do not see)

I would point out that not all JR/HRs like to know who is on 6th penalty, and I would make mention of that. Personally it is TMI for me and would rather hae the tracker tell me when a skater has been given their 7th when they record it and not before. (personal preference though I guess)

Certainly goo enough for a po-dunk area like the Palouse with no chartered teams in the reasonable vicinity.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2014, 07:39:06 pm by llama of death »
I play devils advocate a lot, it is always because I desire a complete understanding of the rule/scenario. I do make changes to my reffing often as a direct result of discussions resulting in a consensus. Particularly if it is contrary to my previous understanding.

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2014, 07:45:25 pm »
That's probably in there as it is a standard practice:

[rule]The PT or PW shall inform the HR of any skaters on the track who are at risk of fouling out due to turns
to the Penalty Box[/rule]
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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2014, 11:22:07 pm »
That's probably in there as it is a standard practice:

[rule]The PT or PW shall inform the HR of any skaters on the track who are at risk of fouling out due to turns
to the Penalty Box[/rule]

Neato, learn somthing new everyday. Missed that, I'll be sure to reread the Std Practices again.
I play devils advocate a lot, it is always because I desire a complete understanding of the rule/scenario. I do make changes to my reffing often as a direct result of discussions resulting in a consensus. Particularly if it is contrary to my previous understanding.

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Re: New NSO Manuals
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2015, 04:29:39 pm »
Minor nit, but I was just looking at the penalty tracking guide and noticed "CUT TRACK" in an example. Might as well update it to encourage use of proper verbal cues -- "CUTTING" not "CUT TRACK".

Thanks for sharing these, by the way!

 

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