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MPB vs Clockwise skating blockers
« on: March 13, 2015, 04:22:56 am »
Scenario: Two red blockers are grasping hands while skating in a counterclockwise direction. One blue blocker, trying to bridge back, skates clockwise into the linked forearms of the two red blockers.

Is there a MPB penalty issued?
If not, if the blue blocker breaks the grasping hands link, is there a clockwise block DoGP penalty?

I guess what I'm asking is, are blockers required to not MPB in both directions or is the clockwise skating skater required to not break up linked assists while skating clockwise?
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Re: MPB vs Clockwise skating blockers
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2015, 04:28:48 am »
Multi Player Blocks don't specify a direction of travel / blocking / initiation in their definition or their impact spectrum.
If it meets both the definition and the metric for a penalty, it should be penalised.

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Re: MPB vs Clockwise skating blockers
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2015, 04:31:24 am »
Multi Player Blocks don't specify a direction of travel / blocking / initiation in their definition or their impact spectrum.
If it meets both the definition and the metric for a penalty, it should be penalised.

If the linking of the two red blockers is to provide an assist to one to block an opponent, is there also a penalty for the clockwise skating blue blocker who skates clockwise and gains advantage by forcing players out of their positions/advantage?

Edit to cite rules:

[rule]5.9.17 A block by a stopped Skater that includes physical contact that forces the
receiving opponent to lose relative position, or allows the initiator or a teammate to
gain relative position, or puts the opponent severely off balance.[/rule]

or

[rule]5.9.18 A clockwise block that forces the receiving opponent to lose relative position, allows the initiator or a teammate to gain relative position, or puts the opponent severely
off balance.[/rule]

If the clockwise skating blocker forces the linked opponents to relinquish their link subsequently allowing the teammate the linked skaters were blocking (legally) to gain relative position due to the loss of link, who is conducting the more illegal play - the MPB or the Clockwise Block? Or is testing the link simply not a block and links can be hit while the rest of the skater may not be hit?
« Last Edit: March 13, 2015, 04:36:03 am by Bitches »
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Re: MPB vs Clockwise skating blockers
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2015, 05:35:56 am »
If the link is challenged, and it immediately breaks - it doesn't meet the definition of a Multi Player Block.
Assess the CW block independently.

If the link is challenged, and it does not break - there may be two illegal actions occurring simultaneously - a MPB and a CW block.
[rule]4.1.2.2 - It is possible for both Skaters to be considered initiators.[/rule]
Assess both according to impact spectrum as to whether each are penalisable.

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Re: MPB vs Clockwise skating blockers
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2016, 06:13:13 am »
Hi, I'm new so I'll be asking a lot of questions shortly. You will begin think I am on a mission to drive you all nuts  if I do things right. I'll be cramming as much as I can before officiating my first bout on Feb 20th. (Thanks Stray Taco!)

Regarding this subject, how would the penalty hierarchy play into deciding what and who to penalize? Position on the track outranks illegal target zone. What category does MPB fall into anyway?

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Re: MPB vs Clockwise skating blockers
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2016, 01:54:42 pm »
Hi, I'm new so I'll be asking a lot of questions shortly. You will begin think I am on a mission to drive you all nuts  if I do things right. I'll be cramming as much as I can before officiating my first bout on Feb 20th. (Thanks Stray Taco!)

Regarding this subject, how would the penalty hierarchy play into deciding what and who to penalize? Position on the track outranks illegal target zone. What category does MPB fall into anyway?

Thanks,
Maria
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MPB was sort of shafted on the Current Hierarchy.

Quote
1. Gross Misconduct/Misconduct
2. Blocking to the Head/Blocking With the Head
3. Position on the Track (Out of Play, Out of Bounds, Direction of Game Play)
4. Illegal Target Zone
5. Illegal Blocking Zone
6. All other non-contact penalties (such as Cutting, Skating Out of Bounds, Illegal
Procedures, Insubordination)

Ideally 3 should say 'Illegal Blocking Penalties' instead of 'Position on the Track' to match section 5 in the rules. I lump in in with 3.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2016, 01:58:06 pm by Vanilla VICE »
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Re: MPB vs Clockwise skating blockers
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2016, 02:54:07 pm »
Hi, I'm new so I'll be asking a lot of questions shortly. You will begin think I am on a mission to drive you all nuts  if I do things right. I'll be cramming as much as I can before officiating my first bout on Feb 20th. (Thanks Stray Taco!)

Regarding this subject, how would the penalty hierarchy play into deciding what and who to penalize? Position on the track outranks illegal target zone. What category does MPB fall into anyway?

Thanks,
Maria
aka Faster PushyCat

The hierarchy doesn't really come into play here. What we're looking at is either one or two illegal initiations (illegal block and possible illegal counter-block). Both only have one illegal thing about them (MPB or Clockwise). Now if the clockwise block was initiated to or with an illegal contact zone, the hierarchy would come into play. Clockwise block would fall under position on track, so if a clockwise block were initiated to a leg (assume impact), the hierarchy dictates we would call the more offensive offense of clockwise block. However, were the same block to be initiated with the head, we'd call it as a blocking with the head. 1 penalty, 1 action, even if that action is illegal in more than one category.
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