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Reactions to the March 2015 StatsBook Manuals
« on: March 31, 2015, 08:07:58 pm »

Edit by Major Wood: I split this and some other posts from the related topic to merge in here. In doing so, this post ended up being the first post. The original post is actually the one by FNZebra directly below this one.

Edit by Adam Smasher:  Moved entire text into later post so thread is once again chronological.  Move along, nothing to see here.
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Re: Reactions to the March 2015 StatsBook Manuals
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2015, 08:08:32 pm »
Hiya, it's me, the public rube for the StatsBook crew.

WeFTDA all got really tired of the limited amount of space that the instructions could use on the actual StatsBook sheets. There are areas of increasingly complexity, and instances where some of the details will be important, but we couldn't include them all. Plus vertical space is premium space on all pages. And there's that whole effort toward standardizing and getting everyone together on the same, uh, page, to make information gathering more consistent and complete.

So we made a thing. Well, two things, really, so each will print nicely for your part of the world.

There are some really experienced NSOs who did most of the heavy lifting here, and I was dragged along on the fumes of their whiteboard markers, doing copyediting and stuff.

Special bonus feature: If you open the PDF in an Adobe Acrobat product, and print just pages 6-23 in color as duplex pages, you may just find yourself with a really nifty set of in-game job-aids, to help your NSO crew fill out the paperwork properly.
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Re: Reactions to the March 2015 StatsBook Manuals
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2015, 08:13:44 pm »
Moved this here to make the thread chronological:

Is this an inconsistency?

"• In case of a substitution, the tally should always be marked for the Skater who was assigned the
penalty, not the Skater serving it."

Followed a half a page later by a picture of the tally marked for the skater serving the penalty.

Or am I reading that wrong?

Also, how does one enter an "I" with a "\" on top of it in Excel?  :)
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Re: Reactions to the March 2015 StatsBook Manuals
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2015, 08:15:56 pm »
1. You have posted this to the wrong thread. There aren't many instructions left in the StatsBook itself. ;)

2. Yes, you're reading it wrong. There are no graphics of the actual tally marks.

3. You may want to completely read the entire the Manual before further commenting.
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Re: Reactions to the March 2015 StatsBook Manuals
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2015, 08:17:01 pm »
Will reply in correct thread.
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Re: Reactions to the March 2015 StatsBook Manuals
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2015, 08:23:37 pm »
I see what my confusion was with the penalty box paperwork (confusing "tally" with "entry"), but I'm still a bit fuzzy on the statsbook data entry.  I've read the entire section on lineup tracking and lineup tracking entry several times.  The manual gives detailed instructions for how to enter all the other characters that could appear in the 'box' columns.  However, in the Lineup Tracking section, it says:

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I - indicates continuing Penalty Box service. It is used if a Skater was seated in a previous jam and
is still in the Penalty Box, in the SP line if a Skater is in the Penalty Box when their team passes the
star, and in the event of a substitute who is continuing to serve another Skater’s penalty, such as for
injury, a foul out, or an expulsion. When the Skater exits the Penalty Box, the symbol is crossed with a
\ to indicate that the Skater has left the Penalty Box.

And this is graphically illustrated on the next page with an I with a backslash through it. 

However, in the "Lineups Data Entry" section of the manual, I'm not seeing what to enter in the statsbook in that circumstance.

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Re: Reactions to the March 2015 StatsBook Manuals
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2015, 11:02:35 pm »
In score, for Lost reasons, shouldn't there be also if the jammer (or a teammate) remove their cover before lead is assigned? By 2.4.8, she is no longer eligible for lead.


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Re: Reactions to the March 2015 StatsBook Manuals
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2015, 03:54:22 am »
I see what my confusion was with the penalty box paperwork (confusing "tally" with "entry"), but I'm still a bit fuzzy on the statsbook data entry.  I've read the entire section on lineup tracking and lineup tracking entry several times.  The manual gives detailed instructions for how to enter all the other characters that could appear in the 'box' columns.  However, in the Lineup Tracking section, it says:

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I - indicates continuing Penalty Box service. It is used if a Skater was seated in a previous jam and
is still in the Penalty Box, in the SP line if a Skater is in the Penalty Box when their team passes the
star, and in the event of a substitute who is continuing to serve another Skater’s penalty, such as for
injury, a foul out, or an expulsion. When the Skater exits the Penalty Box, the symbol is crossed with a
\ to indicate that the Skater has left the Penalty Box.

And this is graphically illustrated on the next page with an I with a backslash through it. 

However, in the "Lineups Data Entry" section of the manual, I'm not seeing what to enter in the statsbook in that circumstance.

[rule]X - indicates that a Skater completed their penalty service (was told “Done” and released) during
that jam. This modifies the / or the I notation. If a Skater begins their penalty service during a jam
and then completes it in the same jam, their / indicating the beginning of their service is crossed
with a \ to make an X. This notation is also used for a Skater who fouls out or is expelled, and their
penalty service time ends during that jam.[/rule]

Source - Stats Book Manual. Emphasis mine.

Basically - if a skater leaves the box during a jam, having either sat during that same jam, or sat in a previous jam and had continuing service (I), an X is the official notation for the Stats Book entry, and this X is used to indicate a / crossed with another \, OR an I crossed with a \ as is contextually appropriate.

Contextually appropriate - refer to the previous jams in the line-up tracking tab of the spreadsheet to determine if she sat in a previous jam, or sat in the current jam. Accept the assertion of the line-up tracker and the stats book enterer that the X has been completed with the correct intent (rather than requiring them to type /\ or I\).

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Re: Reactions to the March 2015 StatsBook Manuals
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2015, 12:39:16 pm »

Basically - if a skater leaves the box during a jam, having either sat during that same jam, or sat in a previous jam and had continuing service (I), an X is the official notation for the Stats Book entry, and this X is used to indicate a / crossed with another \, OR an I crossed with a \ as is contextually appropriate.


Our HNSO checked with one of the authors of the manual, and she confirmed this is correct - X is to be entered for both X and I\.  Optimally, this would have been explicitly mentioned in the "Lineups Data Entry" section of the guide, since this is the ONLY case in which the Excel sheet and the actual paperwork can't match.

But just to be clear: I think this manual is an amazing amount of work, and I'm very grateful to everyone who put it together.  Picking the very few remaining nits is just part and parcel of the NSO mindset. :)
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