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JRDA history
« on: April 28, 2015, 02:09:20 pm »
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I've got an opportunity to officiate at a JRDA 3-game round-robin event. The teams are official level 3 JRDA leagues. This would be my first time at a junior event. Can I list those on my game history? I'm assuming it would be WFTDA for Association and Other for type. Also, would evaluations from there be helpful to submit to WFTDA? I know they won't count towards my official history, but I was told at a clinic that even non-regulation/sanctioned evaluations help build the whole ref picture, but in this case, it would be a JRDA evaluation.

I did notice there's some reciprocity from JRDA to WFTDA, but it doesn't seem like it goes the other way.
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2015, 03:05:32 pm »
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This is the kind of thing the "Other History" tab is for.
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2015, 03:14:10 pm »
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This is the kind of thing the "Other History" tab is for.
Ah, I forgot about that tab since I never had to use it. Thanks!

How about the evals? Worth getting and sending in?
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2015, 04:24:09 pm »
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This is the kind of thing the "Other History" tab is for.
Ah, I forgot about that tab since I never had to use it. Thanks!

How about the evals? Worth getting and sending in?

The JRDA certification process is still a work in progress, as I understand it.  However, it certainly can't HURT to have those evals on file, assuming you're relatively confident they will be positive.  (always the fear when you hand in that sheet before the game.)
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2015, 06:13:01 pm »
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I don't believe WFTDA would count them towards the minimum amount of evals you need for certification.  However, I'm sure Ref Cert would look at them as feedback. 

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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2015, 06:40:40 pm »
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I don't believe WFTDA would count them towards the minimum amount of evals you need for certification.  However, I'm sure Ref Cert would look at them as feedback.

Only if you send in those JRDA eval forms to WTFDA ref/nso cert.  They'll probably wonder though what everybody is smoking -- sending in another organization's eval form into them.  JRDA evals should be send to JRDA, not WFTDA.

If you want to give somebody feedback for a non-WFTDA regulation game, I would either sent WFTDA ref/nso cert an email or a filled out a WFTDA eval form.


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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2015, 06:48:05 pm »
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I don't believe WFTDA would count them towards the minimum amount of evals you need for certification.  However, I'm sure Ref Cert would look at them as feedback.

Only if you send in those JRDA eval forms to WTFDA ref/nso cert.  They'll probably wondering though what everybody is smoking -- sending in another organization's eval form into them.  JRDA evals should be send to JRDA, not WFTDA.

If you want to give somebody feedback for a non-WFTDA regulation game, I would either send WFTDA ref/nso cert an email or a filled out a WFTDA eval form.
I may be naive about it, but it makes sense to me that they'd want to see them, and understand them. JRDA plays under the WFTDA rules, and at level 3, it's the full rule set, so while it may not count towards the game count, I would think they'd welcome the evaluation, because it speaks to the skills of a ref under the WFTDA rule set. Especially since there's acknowledged reciprocity between the associations. In life in general, I'm a "give me lots of feedback" kind of guy. And anything I can do to help the cert folks I'll do.

Right now for me this is in just one potential future, but if it pans out I may just contact them and ask if/how they'd like to see it.
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2015, 08:29:08 pm »
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I can't speak for what Cert actually wants to/doesn't want to see.

What I can say is the information I would want to see for assessing a referee for WFTDA play. That information does not include performance in JRDA play. That bit is irrelevant to me. The only thing I might want to know regarding JRDA games is professionalism.

Professionalism is the same regardless. If you're a dick on the track, or can't work well within a crew, you'll have that problem in any organization or rules. For performance, however, there are very different expectations set between WFTDA and JRDA play. Those expectations in JRDA play are much lower than in WFTDA play.
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2015, 08:33:37 pm »
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Those expectations in JRDA play are much lower than in WFTDA play.

Didn't realize that. Guess that means getting valuable experience and being a help to kids with a future in derby will have to be incentive enough to perform well. Thanks!
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2015, 08:38:13 pm »
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For performance, however, there are very different expectations set between WFTDA and JRDA play. Those expectations in JRDA play are much lower than in WFTDA play.

I will agree to disagree here.

I have officiated Juniors who played a more fierce and demanding game to officiate than some WFTDA games, just as not all WFTDA games are at the same level.
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2015, 08:42:34 pm »
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That may be true, but my (admittedly limited) experience has shown that the standards are much lower for referees in juniors play. As such, the feedback is biased toward being positive.
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2015, 02:27:38 pm »
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The JRDA has published a games history doc that was reportedly developed in conjunction with the WFTDA games doc. It is available at: http://www.jrdaforum.org/new-referee-history-doc-t123.html

As an aside,  I encourage anyone to work one of the regional or national JRDA tournaments - especially those who think "it's just juniors."
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2015, 05:30:41 pm »
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That link led me to a sign-in page.

Is there a link directly to a fresh Google Doc of the history?  Or failing that, can you tell us if non-JRDA-league-affiliated refs are allowed to join the forum?
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2015, 10:18:48 pm »
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Ah. Yes, anyone can register for at least read access. From the JRDA forum welcome page:

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Even if you are not a JRDA member yet, you can still register and read all discussions. There's also a forum where you can post - the JRDA is interested in what you have to say.

JRDA member league skaters, parents, coaches, and volunteers will have permission to read and post in all areas of the forum.

Direct link to the doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D46X1uUfPNhZkRb11aCq2h62FTStRGCNJsSPKk_5xBU/edit?usp=docslist_api
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Re: JRDA history
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2015, 04:44:27 pm »
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For those that don't wish to sign up on the JRDA forum, here's what the original post read:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1392478648

This will not be posted on the JRDA website, as it is a modified version of WFTDA's doc that someone created, but it *is* an acceptable modification to use by WFTDA, MRDA, and JRDA, so share it all you like!  :)


It is to be known as a modified version of the WFTDA doc, that is permitted for use by WFTDA, JRDA, & MRDA officials. It should not be labeled as being created "in conjunction" with WFTDA, and this by no means is a JRDA owned/created modification. This was a modification created by an official, for use by other officials, and is not owned solely by anyone or any organization.

As for JRDA Cert:
JRDA has recently updated all of the official eval forms, and has created an Officiating Certification & Endorsement Log (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhIu70D-kf4udFI3NUpEdkxIaDlEMWc3VzNkMnpiYlE&usp=sharing) for officials to keep track of their submitted evals.
JRDA currently has a reciprocity certification process, and is working on finalizing a JRDA specific certification process.

FNZebra is correct in stating that the demands of junior play can equal the demands of any other type of gameplay! The expectations for officials in JRDA is the same as for WFTDA, and the JRDA Cert panel reflects this in their processes. JRDA wants officials to grow just as much as the skaters, and honest feedback through the eval process encourages this!
As any organization grows, all of us grow with it (including officials). It is highly encouraged that officials with every level of experience participate in junior games, as well as adult games.  This will only help the development of these children in this growing sport!
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