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Hip pads
« on: July 27, 2015, 11:53:01 pm »
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I have a question about hip pads. I'm a referee and a player and I have a persistent issue which causes excruciating pain as a result of even really minor falls onto one side. As a result, I'm looking for options to protect my hips. I've tried normal crash pads and they just do not cut it.

Right now, I have a set of hockey shorts and I am looking at taking the hip pads out and sewing them into my crash pads for use while I play. However, there is a hard insert inside the pad, so I'm interested in how other refs would see it.

Looking at the rules, I see the following:

9.1.2.1 - Wrist guards, elbow pads, knee pads, and helmets must have a hard protective shell or inserts

9.1.3.1 - Chin guards, turtle shell bras, cups, tailbone protectors, shin guards, non-form-fitting clear full-face shields, non-form-fitting clear half-face shields, and form-fitting face shields such as nose guards may have a hard protective shell. No other optional protective gear may have hard protective shells.


Based on these rules, I feel like this would be allowable because, while the padded short + hockey pad combo would have a hard protective insert, that isn't specifically prohibited whereas a hard protective shell is. And I feel like if an insert was going to be prohibited by 9.1.3.1 it would be done specifically, since shells and inserts were specifically and separately addressed in the nearby 9.1.2.1. 

In addition I feel like the arrangement does not impair or interfere with the safety or play of other Skaters, support staff, or Officials per 9.1.3 because, while my hip would be harder, the cushioning afforded by the surrounding fabric would make it no harder than some of the bony hips I've encountered. Also, it wouldn't have edges that could snag someone else's uniform. Finally, since it's encapsulated, if an insert was to break in game it wouldn't turn into a cutting hazard.

So, it's pretty clear that as a ref I would allow this in one of my games. However, I'm also slightly biased, so I'd like to know what other refs think.

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Re: Hip pads
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2015, 02:00:40 pm »
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Based on your description, I don't see why it should be allowed.
We allow things like elbow pads that have fabric and foam over the plastic shell. If those elbow pads meet the definition of having a hard plastic shell, I don't understand why your hip pads would not.

I think the difference in wording is only because with the required equipment, there was a known case of gear with inserts (wristguards). While the optional gear is not as explicit about what is disallowed, I would not treat them any different.
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Re: Hip pads
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2015, 10:44:39 pm »
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Thanks!

I can definitely see what you mean. For myself, I don't read that the elbow pads with foam and plastic coverings are allowable because they meet the definition of a hard plastic shell and that they are instead allowable because an insert is present.

I guess it's down to how a person defines what a shell and what an insert is, which takes us into the murky world of colloquial definitions and referee consensus.

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Re: Hip pads
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2015, 11:00:47 pm »
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My point is that the distinction between hard shell and insert is irrelevant.
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Re: Hip pads
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2015, 12:37:56 am »
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Hmm. I guess I don't see what you mean. Why would they be referenced specifically and separately if the distinction was irrelevant? If there was no reason for a distinction, wouldn't the wording be something like "hard plastic protective component?"

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Re: Hip pads
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2015, 04:16:31 am »
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I think the difference in wording is only because with the required equipment, there was a known case of gear with inserts (wristguards).
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Re: Hip pads
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2015, 05:17:28 pm »
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So anything hard, even if it's inside something, is a shell. Unless it's in a wrist-guard. Am I reading this right?

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Re: Hip pads
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2015, 06:35:17 pm »
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@Dodger, American football season is upon us, and with it there are sales on Football Girdles -- basically compression shorts with pockets sown into them. Some of them have pads attached already, some of them designed to have soft pads slid into the pockets.

Mine have hips & tailbone pads attached. I think I paid ~US$35 for them. I now wear them over regular compression shorts, so I can be clumsy on more days of multi-day events.
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Re: Hip pads
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2015, 07:26:16 pm »
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Thank you! So are these generally heavier than the usual skating crash pads?

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Re: Hip pads
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2015, 07:41:12 pm »
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Thank you! So are these generally heavier than the usual skating crash pads?

I don't know about total mass, since that will vary with size, too. The padding on mine is more dense than those i've seen on most skate shorts.

A soft roller hockey girdle might also be something to consider. Those have been much heavier and bulkier, but do offer more protection.
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