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Offline llama of death

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Warnings for equipment/uniforms mid jam
« on: October 30, 2015, 10:15:34 pm »
Hi all,

Recently a discussion has sprouted around wither or not to warn skaters about these violations before issuing a penalty mid jam. It is my impression that the rules want us to penalize improperly worn uniforms and equipment. (I may be being harsh on this, only you opinions will tell.)

Example: a skater enters the jam and their lack of Numbers on their arms goes unnoticed until the jam has begun, what in the groups opinion is the right thing to do?

I would warn them by asking them the exit the track and get their number on their arm fixed before returning.

Example 2: A skaters wristguard has a strap which was knocked loose, the skater is in the middle of the pack and actively blocking, thus risking her own saftey. Penalty? or Warning? If a warning would you have her leave the track to fix it and if so how would you issue that warning?

I play devils advocate a lot, it is always because I desire a complete understanding of the rule/scenario. I do make changes to my reffing often as a direct result of discussions resulting in a consensus. Particularly if it is contrary to my previous understanding.

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Re: Warnings for equipment/uniforms mid jam
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2015, 02:33:26 am »
Here's what I'd do.

Lack of numbers: I'd distinguish between numbers that have been rubbed off during gameplay and numbers that were never there to begin with.

If I noticed a player isn't wearing numbers at all (I've never actually had this happen) I might give a penalty right away, instructing the player to fix her numbers before returning to track. If she nevertheless returned to the track without numbers after serving her penalty, I'd send her to her bench to fix them.

If I notice a player whose numbers have become unreadable, I'll make a mental note, then after the jam instruct the skater to fix her numbers. If she steps back on track without fixing her numbers, I'd give her a penalty and proceed as above.

Equipment malfunctions: "Blue Four, leave the track, fix your wrist guard", accompanied with the appropriate hand signal (as well as possibly pointing at my own wrist guard if she appears not to understand). Then make sure she follows the instruction. If not, I'd issue an insubordination penalty. Calling the jam would be excessive in most circumstances, I think. Unless a helmet comes off somehow, in which case I hope all referees would immediately call the jam regardless of how it happened.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2015, 02:36:07 am by BadgerBadger »

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Re: Warnings for equipment/uniforms mid jam
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2015, 03:30:23 pm »
We actually had a skater have her helmet come off during a block recently. She immediately (the block hadn't even completed) went to the infield and took a knee to fix it. No need to call the jam.

I'll also generally tell a skater to fix her gear and only tell her to leave the track to do so if it is clear she can't quickly fix it.
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Re: Warnings for equipment/uniforms mid jam
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2015, 04:35:25 pm »
I'll also generally tell a skater to fix her gear and only tell her to leave the track to do so if it is clear she can't quickly fix it.

Ah, yes, I misread "strap" as "splint" above. I wouldn't ask a skater to leave the track to fix a loose strap, only if a hard shell came off.

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Re: Warnings for equipment/uniforms mid jam
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2015, 08:17:03 am »
Remember that the equipment violation penalties are for removing required equipment or failing to wear it. Having it knocked off during gameplay is not a penalty. However if a specific piece of equipment is repeatedly knocked loose I would warn the skater that they need to secure it and if it keeps coming off I would penalize.

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Re: Warnings for equipment/uniforms mid jam
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2015, 03:48:33 pm »
...snip... took a knee to fix it. No need to call the jam.

I am confused where calling the jam came from, I don't recall mentioning that was even a idea for how to deal with this.
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Re: Warnings for equipment/uniforms mid jam
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2015, 04:02:31 pm »
Remember that the equipment violation penalties are for removing required equipment or failing to wear it. Having it knocked off during gameplay is not a penalty. However if a specific piece of equipment is repeatedly knocked loose I would warn the skater that they need to secure it and if it keeps coming off I would penalize.
I don't think the intent here was to penalize because the equipment fell off, but because the skater continued to play after it fell off. If someone's pad was knocked off, I definitely wouldn't penalize, but if she continued to engage and participate in the jam after she was aware the equipment was gone, then I'd call a uniform violation penalty.
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Re: Warnings for equipment/uniforms mid jam
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2015, 04:38:36 pm »
...snip... took a knee to fix it. No need to call the jam.

I am confused where calling the jam came from, I don't recall mentioning that was even a idea for how to deal with this.

It came from this:

Unless a helmet comes off somehow, in which case I hope all referees would immediately call the jam regardless of how it happened.
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