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When you is expelled (fouling out or expulsion) a player?
« on: December 03, 2015, 09:19:18 am »
Hi,

I was reading the "Officiating Standard Practices" and i have a doubt with this:

Position-Specific // Head referee (HR)

[rule]"When a skater fouls out of the game, the HR shall leave the pack (or delegate another official) and go to the Penalty Box to inform the skater that they must leave the track for the remainder of the game, as delineated in the current rule set."[/rule]

A Head referee have to do this, although jam is active? Will exit of inside track and go to penalty box?

Thx and sorry for any inconvenience.

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Re: When you is expelled (fouling out or expulsion) a player?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2015, 11:21:49 am »
Personnally I adapt by the time of the jam.

If  know that the jam will end before the end of the penalty of the FO skater, I wait the end of the jam.

If I'm not sure, I tell the other IPR "you got the pack", I ask confirmation from the PT and then 2 solutions:

- I have a alternat and I just give the information about the FO skater, and the alt manage the situation. (work only for FO)
- I don't have alt so I go to the box, I tell to the skater she's FO and she'll be remove at the end of this jam and double check to be sure the PB got the information and manage it. Then I go to the pack, tell to my IPR "I'm back".  and at the end of the jam, I remove the skater to the game.
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Re: When you is expelled (fouling out or expulsion) a player?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2015, 12:20:45 pm »
Thank you very much for your reply!  ;D

Personnally I adapt by the time of the jam.

If  know that the jam will end before the end of the penalty of the FO skater, I wait the end of the jam.

If I'm not sure, I tell the other IPR "you got the pack", I ask confirmation from the PT and then 2 solutions:

- I have a alternat and I just give the information about the FO skater, and the alt manage the situation. (work only for FO)
- I don't have alt so I go to the box, I tell to the skater she's FO and she'll be remove at the end of this jam and double check to be sure the PB got the information and manage it. Then I go to the pack, tell to my IPR "I'm back".  and at the end of the jam, I remove the skater to the game.

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Re: When you is expelled (fouling out or expulsion) a player?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2015, 02:18:28 pm »
Most (if not every) NSO crew I've worked with recently can handle this on their own. The inside NSOs and the box will communicate with handsignals to confirm the skater is on 7 and the box NSOs together with the alternate referee (who is usually stationed next to the box) will handle it.

I do ask that the PT lets me know the skater has fouled out though so I'm aware what's happening.

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Re: When you is expelled (fouling out or expulsion) a player?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2015, 02:41:38 pm »
Most (if not every) NSO crew I've worked with recently can handle this on their own. The inside NSOs and the box will communicate with handsignals to confirm the skater is on 7 and the box NSOs together with the alternate referee (who is usually stationed next to the box) will handle it.

I do ask that the PT lets me know the skater has fouled out though so I'm aware what's happening.

Echoing this. It is becoming standard practice for the box manager to hold fouled out skaters at the end of their penalty time. They shouldn't leave the vicinity until the end of the jam when it is confirmed there will not be an official review affecting that skater.

If necessary, it should still be a ref job (personal opinion here) to find a sub at the end of the jam. Box staff are less mobile, and its not really their job to talk to captains.
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Re: When you is expelled (fouling out or expulsion) a player?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2015, 02:47:06 pm »
Most (if not every) NSO crew I've worked with recently can handle this on their own. The inside NSOs and the box will communicate with handsignals to confirm the skater is on 7 and the box NSOs together with the alternate referee (who is usually stationed next to the box) will handle it.

I do ask that the PT lets me know the skater has fouled out though so I'm aware what's happening.

Echoing this. It is becoming standard practice for the box manager to hold fouled out skaters at the end of their penalty time. They shouldn't leave the vicinity until the end of the jam when it is confirmed there will not be an official review affecting that skater.

If necessary, it should still be a ref job (personal opinion here) to find a sub at the end of the jam. Box staff are less mobile, and its not really their job to talk to captains.

Agree + some here, too. IMHO, it definitely falls on the refs to escort the skater out. Usually, it would be the HR, but at a tournament recently, that was the job of the ALT ref. So, if you have the luxury of ALT refs, they can definitely take that on - and escort them out as soon as they're expelled/fouled out.
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Re: When you is expelled (fouling out or expulsion) a player?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2015, 09:24:10 pm »
One practice that is being used by a few leagues in my area is: having a box marked off next to the actual penalty box which the penalty box manager will direct any fouled out play to after their penalty has expired if the jam is still going on. This opens the seat in the box and is a visual identifier to the Head Ref and also to the bench in the case they want to use an O.

 

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