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Offline whistleysnipes

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Outside Pack Ref back blocks
« on: November 16, 2015, 09:01:58 pm »
Last week I was OPR( position 1,near turn 1 at start of jam. At the Ref meeting, HR mentioned to me that I should not call back blocks from my position. He said that at his recent games he's reffed that teams were challenging back block by OPR postion 1. He said it's a new thing. Is it a new thing?

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Re: Outside Pack Ref back blocks
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2015, 10:27:48 pm »
If you are referring to calling Back Blocks from the Forward-most OPR position in a 3 person on the pack Sectional rotation, then it is rare that the forward person would have the proper position to call a Back Block. It doesn't mean you shouldn't, it just means odds are, you don't have the view of the initiator blocking zone hitting the target zone of the opponent. If you don't have the specific view of both, then you should not be calling it.

Is that what you mean by OPR position 1?

The sectional rotation is new, but calling penalties only when you see both the target and the blocking zone (without assuming it) is not new. In situations where you don't see both, it is best to defer to those with a better position to see both.
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Re: Outside Pack Ref back blocks
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2015, 12:30:51 am »
If the FOPR ("front OPR") is making back block calls at anything more than a handful of feet away in the clockwise direction, I wonder why the call is not being made by other referees with a better view.  There are potentially six referees who may have a better view.  There are times where it's clearcut and appropriate to make a back block call from that position, but it's far more frequent that making such a call is an overcall that should have been left to another referee with a better view.
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Re: Outside Pack Ref back blocks
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2015, 07:16:11 pm »
Is that what you mean by OPR position 1? yes. I agree with you both but I did see BB when I was going from turn 1 to 2 and pack was at pivot line. It made me not call it due to ref meeting. Also, it was not the HR who said to not call BB. It was a ref I respect and has more experience then me. I should have been more assertive with my call. I felt I had good position to see target zone and impact. No other ref saw it but me I guess.

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Re: Outside Pack Ref back blocks
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2015, 08:14:47 pm »
As a referee I am responsible for calling all penalties that I am in position to see.
From the WFTDA Officiating Standard Practices: (http://wftda.com/officiating/wftda-officiating-standard-practices.pdf)

[rule]All Referees are responsible for calling penalties that they are in position to see, regardless of the team or position of the Skater. (See Non-Skating Officials Section below about NSOs calling penalties.)[/rule]

I have made back-block calls as the front IPR - similar positioning to the "front" OPR. However, when I have made back-block calls "from the front" it was because I was in position to see that the initiator contact was outside the legal target zone (and able to see the the impact of that contact.) More often, I have refrained from making that call because although everything I know about physics and derby tells me that it *had* to have been a back block, I was not in position to see the target zone.
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Re: Outside Pack Ref back blocks
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2015, 10:09:12 pm »
I would caution most referees to not make this call from in front of the receiving skater. The people I trust to make this call, I would still recommend being exceptionally cautious about making the call. There are a lot of things that you can't see from that angle.

Many times, you might be making the right call. Many of those times where it is the right call, you are likely just lucky that it was the right call.
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Re: Outside Pack Ref back blocks
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2015, 12:21:49 am »
I would caution most referees to not make this call from in front of the receiving skater. The people I trust to make this call, I would still recommend being exceptionally cautious about making the call. There are a lot of things that you can't see from that angle.

Many times, you might be making the right call. Many of those times where it is the right call, you are likely just lucky that it was the right call.

Weird - wanted to +1 this, but the +/- seems to be missing on this subforum.
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Re: Outside Pack Ref back blocks
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2015, 05:09:09 pm »
That's fixed. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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Re: Outside Pack Ref back blocks
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2016, 06:30:51 am »
Would a clockwise facing skater being illegally counter blocked [counter-blocked to the back]  by the receiving skater be an apt example of the "right time" to call this?
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