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Excess Communication/Insub Incomplete Star Pass
« on: March 01, 2016, 12:09:41 am »
Hey there,

While JRing this weekend, I did a thing I immediately thought was a mistake, but would like to get non-me input. My jammer committed a cut with the cover in her hand on the way to an incomplete star pass (I hadn't finished the verbal cue by the moment of handoff). I finished the penalty call and immediately said "Green 40, you are not the jammer" to the pivot who had the cover in hand. For the sake of getting two questions out of one scenario, let's say that the pivot handed the star back to the jammer while the jammer was actively and satisfactorily on her way to the box, never slowing or adjusting her course before exiting.

1. With regards to the "you are not the jammer" communication:
A) A-OK, the more communication the better. Somewhat in line with a pre-jam warning for too many skaters.
B) Not cool. Somewhat in line with verbally announcing to a jammer that she's lead when she seems not to be aware despite all proper signals.
C) Other: ...

2. With regards to the cover being returned:
A) No penalty. Having exited promptly, she did not fail to leave immediately by simply receiving the cover.
B) Insub. She did something other than/prior to exiting.
C) Other: ...

My inclination is a soft B for 1, and an A, no impact, for 2.

Thanks in advance
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Re: Excess Communication/Insub Incomplete Star Pass
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2016, 03:23:25 am »
A & A

Not only did you do the right thing alerting the pivot she was not the jammer, you were performing the critical task of alerting the pack referees to the situation.  The last thing anyone wants is the pivot racing off thinking she's the jammer while the FIPR, clueless that the star pass was incomplete, starts yelling at you that you're not following your jammer.

As for the the potential insub, you said the jammer's departure from the track was not delayed due to the pivot handing back the cover.  A no call is appropriate.
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Re: Excess Communication/Insub Incomplete Star Pass
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2016, 06:34:55 pm »
It sounds a lot like A for both to me.
I almost always immediately follow a completed, but illegal star pass with communicating that the pivot is not the jammer.
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Re: Excess Communication/Insub Incomplete Star Pass
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 06:53:07 pm »
That information is also very valuable for the Penalty Box officials, to properly process any new arrivals.

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Re: Excess Communication/Insub Incomplete Star Pass
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2016, 09:13:14 pm »
Great! I would normally communicate this directly to the FIPR before following my jammer to the box, for sure, but given everyone's (IPRs and involved skaters) close position and the stopped pack, it was a knee-jerk kinda thing. I'll happily adjust my practice accordingly. Thank you all for the thorough responses.
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