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Author Topic: Mouthguard and dentures  (Read 10456 times)

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Mouthguard and dentures
« on: March 18, 2016, 07:01:44 am »
Search gave me nothing, so apologies if reposting. Please direct me to the relevant post if it exists.
I've recently seem a discussion about a Skater who has dentures, doesn't want to skate with them in, but can't mould  a Mouthguard to their gums.
They're still required to wear a Mouthguard, right? Trying to get a valid answer for them...
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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2016, 08:38:30 am »
[rule]9.1.2 Protective gear must include, at a minimum: wrist guards, elbow pads, knee pads,
mouth guards, and helmets.[/rule]

the mouth guard does not only protect the teeth but also help with concussion alleviation in some scenarios.

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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2016, 12:19:37 pm »
Yes, well that is something not only strongly debated by many, but also companies like SISU. While I agree it can aid risk reduction, and would be in the "no Mouthguard, no skate" category, I know the debate is a different discussion.  Question is, do you stop this toothless Skater from skating?
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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2016, 12:56:25 pm »
Yes, well that is something not only strongly debated by many, but also companies like SISU. While I agree it can aid risk reduction, and would be in the "no Mouthguard, no skate" category, I know the debate is a different discussion.  Question is, do you stop this toothless Skater from skating?
Yes, absolutely. First, rule 9.1.2 doesn't allow for any variation on the minimum requirements. And because this is a safety rule, I wouldn't want to assume liability for failing to enforce it if something happened.

Second, if the bout is covered by WFTDA insurance, a Skater not wearing a mouth guard could be considered a violation of the Safety Protocol and result in a denial of coverage by WFTDI if something was to happen.

[rule]WFTDA Safety Protocol
4.1. Skaters and officials must wear all protective gear (also referred to as “gear”) as
described in the most current version of the WFTDA Rules. Officials may forgo the use
of mouth guards.
[/rule]

Technically, I don't know if a HR could tell a Skater she couldn't be on the track, but they could highly recommend it if asked and explain what would happen if the Skater was on the track without a mouth guard. They'd be going to the penalty box for an Equipment Violation every time they lined up and a jam started until they either fouled out or put in a mouth guard.
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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2016, 02:25:50 pm »
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Technically, I don't know if a HR could tell a Skater she couldn't be on the track

*Tweet* Color - Number: Equipment violation. Mouth guard.
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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2016, 03:53:11 pm »
[rule]9.1.2 Protective gear must include, at a minimum: wrist guards, elbow pads, knee pads,
mouth guards, and helmets.[/rule]

the mouth guard does not only protect the teeth but also help with concussion alleviation in some scenarios.

Just pulling this out, as it's something I've said a number of times.

There have been no studies that have proven that mouth guards have any effect on concussions. I believe there have been some that have shown that mouth guards have no effect on them whatsoever.
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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2016, 03:57:24 pm »
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Technically, I don't know if a HR could tell a Skater she couldn't be on the track

*Tweet* Color - Number: Equipment violation. Mouth guard.
Exactly, which is what I said in the next sentence:
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They'd be going to the penalty box for an Equipment Violation every time they lined up and a jam started until they either fouled out or put in a mouth guard.
What I meant is that they couldn't necessarily be prevented from lining up, but would be heading for the penalty box as soon as the jam started.
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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2016, 11:26:22 pm »
[rule]9.1.2 Protective gear must include, at a minimum: wrist guards, elbow pads, knee pads,
mouth guards, and helmets.[/rule]

the mouth guard does not only protect the teeth but also help with concussion alleviation in some scenarios.

Sorry, not true at all. Major mouth guard myth propetuated and "research" funded by the companies which hold stake in selling mouth guards which claimed to protect from concusion.  Independent study a has not been able to correlate a reduction in cuncussions in mouthguards and as such the governing bodies began cracking down on this claim as false advertising.
I play devils advocate a lot, it is always because I desire a complete understanding of the rule/scenario. I do make changes to my reffing often as a direct result of discussions resulting in a consensus. Particularly if it is contrary to my previous understanding.

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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2016, 11:31:15 pm »
On topic, I would recomend they see an othedontist and get a mouthguards which complies with the rules but is not there.

If they literally have no teeth than this is an extreme situation not covered by the rules. If it was on a floor I was HR ING I would have to ask them to wear the mouth guard or not skate until WFTDA rules or WFTDA insurance chimes in with an exception or alternative.
I play devils advocate a lot, it is always because I desire a complete understanding of the rule/scenario. I do make changes to my reffing often as a direct result of discussions resulting in a consensus. Particularly if it is contrary to my previous understanding.

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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2016, 11:16:10 pm »
I know this has become somewhat of a derail (but I feel like the OP has been answered), here is an interesting article regarding the use of a mouthguard in assessing a concussion.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4636247-concussion-research-color-changing-mouth-guards-test-helmets-measure-safety

Please, in no way am I saying that mouthguards help prevent concussions, but I do think this is an excellent use of existing equipment to aid in the prevention of further injury.

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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2016, 08:55:39 am »
On topic, I would recomend they see an othedontist and get a mouthguards which complies with the rules but is not there.

If they literally have no teeth than this is an extreme situation not covered by the rules. If it was on a floor I was HR ING I would have to ask them to wear the mouth guard or not skate until WFTDA rules or WFTDA insurance chimes in with an exception or alternative.

whether the skater have teeth or not is not taken in account in the rules. it clearly states that you HAVE to have a mouthguard in place else suffer a penalty if you step on to the track on skates, so it is covered by the rules.

No mouthguard = no play

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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2016, 10:56:12 am »
No mouthguard = no play

Would you extend that to a skater who is missing one hand, and is unable to have a wrist guard on this side? (as the rules ask for Wrist guardS)

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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2016, 11:05:33 am »
Would you extend that to a skater who is missing one hand, and is unable to have a wrist guard on this side? (as the rules ask for Wrist guardS)

No i would not since that does not impact other skaters at all while not having a mouthguard can affect the safety of others in play.
Also there is a difference between "unable" and "not wanting to".

and we do not force skaters to wear mouthguardS either...or helmetS.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2016, 12:41:33 pm by NebuQuadnezzar »

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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2016, 10:16:22 pm »
.... while not having a mouthguard can affect the safety of others in play.
and we do not force skaters to wear mouthguardS either...or helmetS.

So in what way do you propose there is a saftey risk to others by a skater not having teeth by which to retain a mouthguard? (BTW denture adhesive would not hold up to a hit to the mouth with or without a mouth guard)

By listing it under required gear we are forcing them to wear it Nebu.
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Re: Mouthguard and dentures
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2016, 07:28:15 am »

By listing it under required gear we are forcing them to wear it Nebu.

This is what i am getting at...
a skater without a hand is unable to wear a wrist guard but the skater in the OP does not want to wear the dentures so that a mouth guard can be used.



 

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