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Re: Safety protocol for penalty box and benches
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2016, 07:06:02 pm »
I have also wondered the HR's role is in a Sanctioned game that doens't meet protocol. I know the teams can contest the game with sanctioning, but I have no idea what the HR is supposed to do. Would you not sign an IGRF cuz the game wasn't protocol? (or something like that)

Part of the reason for a properly conducted mock-Sanction game for AP leagues is to make sure they are fully aware of these things.

As HR of a Sanc game in a new-to-you venue, you should arrive early to inspect the venue & track, and get needed changes made before game time.

Let both teams know about remaining issues at the Capts meeting, and let them decide how they wish to proceed. They may choose to continue, they may decide to make it only "Reg" (yes, it still won't be), they may decide not to play at all. You then have to decide what you will do -- will you pull out, or will you participate (as HR, or is someone else willing to)?

Signing the IGRF is simply ascertaining the data on it is accurate. Getting to that point then considering not signing as some form of protest is wrong & misguided on so many levels. It also won't desanction the game by itself, it will just cause administrative delay to the HNSO & the host league.
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Re: Safety protocol for penalty box and benches
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2016, 12:57:13 pm »

 Would you not sign an IGRF cuz the game wasn't protocol? (or something like that)

No. Signing the IGRF means that you are attesting that the information on the IGRF is correct, and nothing else. The game occurred, these skaters played, the score on the scoreboard matches the one on the form, etc. Not signing the IGRF is NOT the appropriate way to register any sort of protest, and will make your HNSOs life a screaming misery.

Addendum: oh hey look... This thread had a page two where FN already said this.
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Re: Safety protocol for penalty box and benches
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2016, 02:56:28 pm »
Let me rephrase the question.

If both teams don't want to make changes and want to play it as sanctioned. Should I be the sanctioning snitch? Or do I "Let It Go"
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Re: Safety protocol for penalty box and benches
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2016, 03:02:39 pm »
This isn't just a sanctioning issue, it's an insurance issue. If anyone were to be injured on a bench that was too close to the track, WFTDI could refuse to pay, which adds not only extra expenses to the injured person, but liability and possible law suits to anyone involved, including the HR, the person who made the hit, the leagues, the venue, and WFTDA.

If it's a sanctioned game, then yes the HR can bring it up as a sanctioning issue, but even if it's "just reg" I still would refuse to skate unless it was corrected, because I'm putting myself at risk of liability if something was to happen that while the game was in violation of the insurance requirements.

It sounds like a d*ck move, but it comes out of conversations with WFTDI when there were other insurance issues at a venue I was supposed to HR. It made enough aware that I had to tell the leagues I was backing out if it wasn't corrected. Thankfully, I was made aware a couple days before and the issue was corrected with no impact to the game.
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Re: Safety protocol for penalty box and benches
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2016, 04:32:26 pm »
This isn't just a sanctioning issue, it's an insurance issue. If anyone were to be injured on a bench that was too close to the track, WFTDI could refuse to pay, which adds not only extra expenses to the injured person, but liability and possible law suits to anyone involved, including the HR, the person who made the hit, the leagues, the venue, and WFTDA.

If it's a sanctioned game, then yes the HR can bring it up as a sanctioning issue, but even if it's "just reg" I still would refuse to skate unless it was corrected, because I'm putting myself at risk of liability if something was to happen that while the game was in violation of the insurance requirements.

It sounds like a d*ck move, but it comes out of conversations with WFTDI when there were other insurance issues at a venue I was supposed to HR. It made enough aware that I had to tell the leagues I was backing out if it wasn't corrected. Thankfully, I was made aware a couple days before and the issue was corrected with no impact to the game.

The teams accepting it like it is are obviously not prioritizing wftdi coverage. Though I can understand you not wanting to be dragged into that acceptance.
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Re: Safety protocol for penalty box and benches
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2016, 04:54:53 pm »
This isn't just a sanctioning issue, it's an insurance issue. If anyone were to be injured on a bench that was too close to the track, WFTDI could refuse to pay, which adds not only extra expenses to the injured person, but liability and possible law suits to anyone involved, including the HR, the person who made the hit, the leagues, the venue, and WFTDA.

For what it's worth, that may not be a relevant factor outside of the US.

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Re: Safety protocol for penalty box and benches
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2016, 06:09:02 pm »
This isn't just a sanctioning issue, it's an insurance issue. If anyone were to be injured on a bench that was too close to the track, WFTDI could refuse to pay, which adds not only extra expenses to the injured person, but liability and possible law suits to anyone involved, including the HR, the person who made the hit, the leagues, the venue, and WFTDA.

For what it's worth, that may not be a relevant factor outside of the US.

If it is a sanctioned game, it absolutely is relevant everywhere.
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Re: Safety protocol for penalty box and benches
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2016, 11:39:16 am »
I was referring specifically to WFTDI and liability issues. I don't know that to be a significant concern in any part of Europe I've been to. I am of course aware that following the Safety Protocol is a requirement for sanctioning.

I am, however, also aware that many games do not actually follow them, around here.

 

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