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Sharing helmet cam footage?
« on: May 17, 2016, 09:17:41 am »
From time to time I wear a helmet cam at the the skaters' practices.  We could argue whether helmet cams are useful or useless but that's not what I'm here for. 

Tonight at practice I called a penalty on a skater.  She asked to see the footage.  I can imagine how the footage could help the skater figure out how to avoid that penalty in the future.  I can also imagine a skater beating me up with the footage.

I've never shared footage before and depending on how the skaters use the footage.  I decided to trust the skater this time and to see how it works out.  Have any of you helmet cam users been asked for footage, how have you handled it, and how did it turn out?

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Re: Sharing helmet cam footage?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2016, 11:34:17 am »
I can also imagine a skater beating me up with the footage.

So your reason for not wanting to share the footage is that it may turn out you were wrong?

If you were wrong wouldn't you want to know that so you can figure out how to do better next time?

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Re: Sharing helmet cam footage?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2016, 12:13:06 pm »
I wear a helmet cam at team practices and "Other" games. I almost always share the footage if requested. The only time I won't is when the skater/team is overtly antagonistic in their request, or if the call was made by some other referee whose consent I don't have to distribute it.

When I provide it, I know there will be times when I flubbed a call. That's OK. We're not perfect, It's no surprise that we're not perfect, and the video is always a learning experience. (Although, luckily, I usually did get the call right ;) ) Whatever the video shows, I'll always include a short discussion of what I saw at the time, and what I see in the video, and whether I think the video confirms my call, or disconfirms it, or isn't very informative, very much the way we do here on this site. And then I'll ask if *they* agree, and we use the moment to have a productive discussion.

My experience is that skaters aren't looking to beat me up when they request the footage, but rather to see how they themselves can improve. And if I blew the call, well, *shrug* I learned something from it, that's the whole point of taking video in the first place, and skaters in my league have told me that their respect for me is greater because I can admit the occasional mistake.

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Re: Sharing helmet cam footage?
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2016, 02:45:31 pm »
I wear a helmet cam (the Bult X3 -- can't recommend it enough) every non-tourney game that I HR.  I sometimes wear it while not HRing a swell.

For my part, I always ask the teams' permission before turning it on.  In exchange for their permission I offer them a copy of the edited video when it's done.  I remove all stoppages in play via Windows Movie Maker as I watch the movie.  I then post it as an unlisted video on YouTube and send both teams the link.

I've learned a few things from the footage.

1 - Pulling out clips of interesting actions serves as a great training tool for my league referees.  This summer we'll be hosting a "BBQ and Video Review" party of the best and worst calls it recorded.  No one, especially myself, will be left unscathed as we run through everyone's best and worst moments.

2 - My league loves looking over the footage.  They especially like jammer ref footage, as it allows them to study their jammers for half the game and their walls in the other.

3 - Crews often enjoy studying the video of complex actions. 

4 - Some referees are very sensitive to acknowledging error, even when the video makes it clear their call was bad.  This goes back to the ongoing "we say we like feedback but not all of us really do" issue.

5 - Video footage can be a bit like a Rorshach Inkblot, where different people perceive the same action different ways.  A second set of eyes watching the footage also sometimes reveals a detail the first set missed.

6 - Skaters love seeing clips of themselves involved with interesting actions (except when they do something really, really wrong).

7 - Once skaters are used to seeing your clips, they will often request you find a specific piece of footage and show them your angle.
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Re: Sharing helmet cam footage?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2016, 03:29:09 pm »
I can also imagine a skater beating me up with the footage.

So your reason for not wanting to share the footage is that it may turn out you were wrong?

If you were wrong wouldn't you want to know that so you can figure out how to do better next time?

I've seen my footage.  I know I get some calls/no-calls wrong.  The skaters will see that I make mistakes from time to time.  That's not what I'm concerned about.  I'd like to get feedback, suggestions on proper position, how to anticipate game flow, etc.

What I am concerned about is a skater turning mistakes shown in the video turns into destructive criticism on every call and the time of the call.  If the skater uses a mistakes shown in the footage to rationalize a disbelief in every call against her and expresses that disbelief, verbally or non-verball, I worry that I might hesitate too much on making calls/no-call.

For some skaters on my league this won't be a problem.  For other skaters, I'm a little more concerned.  We had an incident at practice a couple of weeks ago were the skater argued enough about a call that the ref on the receiving end of the rant finally left the track area.  For those types of skaters I'm worried it gives them additional ammo to use.  In a game situation we can issue a misconduct.  At practice we really have one option, voting with our feet.

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Re: Sharing helmet cam footage?
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2016, 04:16:40 pm »
In a game situation we can issue a misconduct.  At practice we really have one option, voting with our feet.

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There are (or should be) other resources available to you. You should be able to speak with someone in a leadership position over that person to discuss this with. There should also be some form of grievance/mediation policy within the league, which should be utilized. I've seen leagues lose full ref crews because that behavior became acceptable enough that it became a toxic culture. A league needs to stop that person (hopefully it's only one) from poisoning the well.
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Re: Sharing helmet cam footage?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2016, 09:18:37 pm »
In a game situation we can issue a misconduct.  At practice we really have one option, voting with our feet.

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There are (or should be) other resources available to you. You should be able to speak with someone in a leadership position over that person to discuss this with. There should also be some form of grievance/mediation policy within the league, which should be utilized. I've seen leagues lose full ref crews because that behavior became acceptable enough that it became a toxic culture. A league needs to stop that person (hopefully it's only one) from poisoning the well.
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Re: Sharing helmet cam footage?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2016, 07:34:50 pm »
4 - Some referees are very sensitive to acknowledging error, even when the video makes it clear their call was bad.  This goes back to the ongoing "we say we like feedback but not all of us really do" issue.


I have made plenty of mistakes in my reffing career.  In that time, I have always welcomed questions from skaters (and anyone else) about why I made a call.  Discussing calls and learning from our mistakes is an essential component to becoming a better ref.  People who are so thin-skinned that they can't admit to a mistake have probably made a poor choice in becoming a referee. 
« Last Edit: May 20, 2016, 09:26:43 pm by Invader Jim »

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Re: Sharing helmet cam footage?
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2016, 03:37:46 pm »
Much like Stevil, I share my footage as an unlisted YouTube link. My league absolutely love this sharing of footage. I've been asked a few times for certain footage for example by an injured skater (footage which usually gets edited out) In this case I will share this with them personally via USB stick rather than YouTube.
I've found HR footage more useful than JR footage. When JRing I'll often put the GoPro up on the wall
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