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Jumping and cutting track
« on: January 23, 2009, 01:27:52 am »
Is there any rule which specifically covers cutting track when a player jumps from in bounds, passes skaters in the air, and lands out of bounds?

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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 01:37:16 am »
not as i read it
cutting penalties are given when she returns inbounds - not while she's OOB

6.2.10 CUTTING THE TRACK .... Cutting the track penalties are issued when any part of the returning skater's skates, body or
equipment are touching the floor inside the track boundary.

you'd wait for her to re-enter before giving the penalty - if it still applies
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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 01:54:35 am »
I think the question is do the passes that occur while airborne count as legal passes? Since she maintains her in-bounds status until she touches down, she is considered in-bounds while passing in the air.
Am I getting what you were shooting for?
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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009, 01:59:19 am »
« Last Edit: January 23, 2009, 02:20:44 am by chugalug »
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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 02:31:37 am »
I think the question is do the passes that occur while airborne count as legal passes? Since she maintains her in-bounds status until she touches down, she is considered in-bounds while passing in the air.
Am I getting what you were shooting for?

Sort of. If I understand the rule correctly, for blocking, an airborne skater who jumped from in-bounds is in-bounds in the air until the moment she lands out-of-bounds.

(OOB Blocking)6.2.4.9  If a player jumps, and ceases all contact with the ground, her prior in-bounds/out-of-bounds status is maintained until contact with the ground re-establishes in-bounds/out-
of-bounds status.


But for scoring, she doesn't score if she lands out of bounds, so the moment she lands out-of-bounds renders her passes in the air out of bounds.

(Scoring) 7.5.9 In order to earn points for passing while airborne the Jammer must maintain in-bounds status after landing. See Section 6.2.4.9 Out-of-Bounds Blocking.


Soooo  I assume cutting track operates under the logic shown by the scoring rules and not the BOOB rules (otherwise, players could just jump past people safely regardless of how they landed) -- but I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a rule that specifically addressed the action of cutting track while jumping.

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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009, 02:38:34 am »
I think the question is do the passes that occur while airborne count as legal passes? Since she maintains her in-bounds status until she touches down, she is considered in-bounds while passing in the air.
Am I getting what you were shooting for?

Sort of. If I understand the rule correctly, for blocking, an airborne skater who jumped from in-bounds is in-bounds in the air until the moment she lands out-of-bounds.

(OOB Blocking)6.2.4.9  If a player jumps, and ceases all contact with the ground, her prior in-bounds/out-of-bounds status is maintained until contact with the ground re-establishes in-bounds/out-
of-bounds status.


But for scoring, she doesn't score if she lands out of bounds, so the moment she lands out-of-bounds renders her passes in the air out of bounds.

(Scoring) 7.5.9 In order to earn points for passing while airborne the Jammer must maintain in-bounds status after landing. See Section 6.2.4.9 Out-of-Bounds Blocking.


Soooo  I assume cutting track operates under the logic shown by the scoring rules and not the BOOB rules (otherwise, players could just jump past people safely regardless of how they landed) -- but I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a rule that specifically addressed the action of cutting track while jumping.

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Nothing I'm seeing in the rules specifically addresses such a situation.

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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2009, 05:33:17 am »
oh... i lost another stat point   ;)


how about, at the very least she's skating OOB - so minor penalty
...since the action might not be considered as a clear cutting the track

better than a loop hole to be exploited

(yes, this doesnt directly answer the original question... but hopefully still useful and relevant)
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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 08:16:33 am »
how about, at the very least she's skating OOB - so minor penalty
...since the action might not be considered as a clear cutting the track

If she jumps from in bounds and lands out of bounds, I don't see grounds to issue a penalty.  Unless she specifically jumped to avoid a block, or gained momentum while she was out there, we can't give her a Skating Out penalty just for being out of bounds. 

If she passes anyone in the air, she passed out of bounds.  If she re-enters in front of anyone, she's cut the track.  If she re-enters behind players she passed while airborne, no problema. 
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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 09:17:35 am »
Soooo  I assume cutting track operates under the logic shown by the scoring rules and not the BOOB rules (otherwise, players could just jump past people safely regardless of how they landed) -- but I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a rule that specifically addressed the action of cutting track while jumping.
To assess a Cutting Track penalty, the skater has to touch back inside the track.

Essentially, if a player jumped off the track and ended up out of bounds I would call skating out of bounds as she wasn't blocked and wasn't trying to block (assuming she wasn't trying for a Gross Misconduct major). Then, if she lands out of bounds, and immediately skates back in-bounds I'd look for any cutting track that they've done based on where she left the track originally - pre jump.

PS - As an aside, did anyone else notice that 6.2.4.9 refers to 7.9 Scoring (which doesn't exist).

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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 09:26:13 am »
must be mistyped...

7.5.9 In order to earn points for passing while airborne the Jammer must maintain in-bounds
status after landing. See Section 6.2.4.9 Out-of-Bounds Blocking.
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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2009, 04:03:09 pm »
must be mistyped...

7.5.9 In order to earn points for passing while airborne the Jammer must maintain in-bounds
status after landing. See Section 6.2.4.9 Out-of-Bounds Blocking.

Yeah -- it's a typo, and is going to be corrected.

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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2009, 04:11:32 pm »
oh... i lost another stat point   ;)

That's okay, so did I :D

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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2009, 06:13:50 pm »
It seems that, so long as she wasn't trying to avoid a block, if the skater jump from in-bounds, passes a skater, and lands OOB there is no penalty or scoring. If she comes back in-bounds in front of the skater she passed, then there is no CTT penalty because:

6.2.4.9  If a player jumps, and ceases all contact with the ground, her prior in-bounds/out-of-bounds status is maintained until contact with the ground re-establishes in-bounds/out-of-bounds status.

So the pass was made while in-bounds. Then, even though when she lands she is now OOB, since the pass was made in-bounds, no CTT when she comes back in-bounds in front of the other skater.

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Re: Jumping and cutting track
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2009, 07:17:33 pm »

If she jumps from in bounds and lands out of bounds, I don't see grounds to issue a penalty.  Unless she specifically jumped to avoid a block, or gained momentum while she was out there, we can't give her a Skating Out penalty just for being out of bounds. 


sooo... if a skater skates OOB for no good reason, just of her own accord, you dont issue a skating OOB penalty?

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